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16th April 2021, 20.49:39 | #919-0 (permalink) | |
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Re: The sad case of a founding members and player of Wrexham Football Club (Massive history thread!)
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Wrexham Victoria played on Bennions Lane and played in the West Cheshire League, the Chester & District League and the Combination. It looks as though there were two different incarnations of this club, both of which won the Welsh Amateur Cup. Speaking of the Chester & District League, a club called Wrexham St Giles also played in this league. Wrexham Hibernian played on Bradley Road. The earliest reference I could find for them was in 1889. With them being an Irish club I do wonder if their ground was in close proximity to the Catholic Cathedral. There was also a club called Wrexham St Mary’s who I assume were linked to the Catholic Church and therefore could be a successor club to Wrexham Hibernian. There are some brilliant names clubs from Victorian and Edwardian times. Would love to see a few of them re-emerge. |
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16th April 2021, 22.38:13 | #920-0 (permalink) |
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Re: The sad case of a founding members and player of Wrexham Football Club (Massive history thread!)
Erddig albion...
Re hibs bradley rd. . My hunch belle vue.. Re chester & district Gresford & rossett for years played in the Chester Also another town team Mae's y dre |
17th April 2021, 14.15:25 | #921-0 (permalink) |
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Re: The sad case of a founding members and player of Wrexham Football Club (Massive history thread!)
Just before they extended the Acton Council Estate about 1970, when the farms became vacant, locals marked out a soccer field and built changing rooms out of wooden pallets on a flat area between the 4 dogs entrance and the future St Margaret Way. The team may have been called Acton Villa. Humans have a history of building on the same spot.
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17th April 2021, 16.22:03 | #922-0 (permalink) | |
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Sir Thank you so much for this post One was beginning to think their memory was beginning to play tricks... I can recall when first moved into the area mid 60s..thinking I can remember a soccer pitch in the area described. As you entered through the 4 digs gate Sam's milk bar on your left. I seem to recall some ministry of pension houses on your right (similar to others around the park) and a vague memory of a soccer pitch behind them.. The bottom goal would be parrarell to the sandway road/acton gate junction on Chester rd.. First time I've seen anyone also mention it Thank you |
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18th April 2021, 17.37:35 | #923-0 (permalink) | |
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Re: The sad case of a founding members and player of Wrexham Football Club (Massive history thread!)
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The banks of the ditch/trackway are indicated on the map, on the opposite side of Hope Street/Mold Road, whereas the Racecourse side of the ditch is shown as an established lane, with a boundary line indicating a wall that had been built to separate the lane from The Turf Tavern Gardens. Pwll Y Wrach is also shown on the map, although the vicarage, which used to be located where the current railway station ticket office now stands, had been demolished long before the map was drawn. The map can be found in A. N. Palmer’s ‘A History of the Town of Wrexham’ 1893, although Palmer made no mention of the name ‘Crid Pler Lane’ in any of his books, and so it had not been previously realised or explained in any of the history books that Crispin Lane was actually the ditch of Wat’s Dyke. Last edited by eastsussex; 18th April 2021 at 17.50:06.. |
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18th April 2021, 18.05:45 | #924-0 (permalink) |
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Re: The sad case of a founding members and player of Wrexham Football Club (Massive history thread!)
I should have also explained that the top section of Crispin Lane, at the junction with Mold Road, was diverted a few metres closer to The Racecourse in 1868.
The diversion started where the house known as The Crispin had been located, and you can clearly see this diversion as a bend in the top end of the current Crispin Lane. Last edited by eastsussex; 18th April 2021 at 18.08:36.. |
19th April 2021, 09.38:30 | #926-0 (permalink) | |
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Yes. There is still a remnant of the Wat's Dyke ditch in existence, just inside of the railings, opposite the University block next to the all weather pitch- behind the club shop car park, which archaeologists discovered some years back. https://ancientmonuments.uk/132037-w...rexham-rhosddu And there is another section of the bank and ditch, which archaeologists reconstructed outside of The Premier Inn. https://ancientmonuments.uk/132059-w...130m-long-offa We know from old maps that the original ditch/lane ran in a straight line between these locations, and so I have added a line onto a satellite view from Google maps (attached), which identifies the line of the original ditch/lane. As you can see in the satellite view, the original line of the ditch, which later became Crid Pler Lane (Crispin Lane) was located where the railings now run on the present embankment of the railway, but only as far as the kop, where Crispin Lane veers closer to The Racecourse. This diversion in the road took place in 1868, and there were a number of complaints from locals at that time, who said that the railway company had placed marker pegs on the original trackway of Crispin Lane. There was a corporation meeting about it, and the surveyor stated that the railway company intended to widen the lane, although the lane itself ended up being diverted across the old Turf Tavern Gardens; which gives us the current layout of Crispin Lane. The road which they laid out at that time was also amended slightly at the junction of Mold Road in the 1890’s, although the original lane still existed as a kind of cut through, next to the road, and this can still be seen on the photo (attached) from the end of the 1880’s. But by the time the photo was taken, the construction of the railway bridge in 1887/88 had grubbed out most of the original ditch ‘as far as the section opposite the university block’ in the top link, and so the trackway/lane in the photo from the end of the 1880's was just following the original route of the ditch. Today, that trackway in the photo would now be located in the old footpath that used to take passengers to the Connah’s Quay railway line on the Crispin Lane side of the station. Elsewhere, there are still sections of the ditch in existence, which now serve as a trackway for a country walk, and so I have attached a photo of such a section from the Greenfield Valley, to give an idea of what Crid Pler Lane (Crispin Lane) may have looked like in the 19th Century, before the railway came to town. I often write these replies on the hoof- from the top of my head, as I don’t always have time to check through the archives to find the exact dates that I quote in my replies, but I believe that the dates that I have quoted are correct, and will certainly be within a year or two of those that I have quoted. Last edited by eastsussex; 19th April 2021 at 09.45:42.. |
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19th April 2021, 10.19:40 | #927-0 (permalink) |
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Re: The sad case of a founding members and player of Wrexham Football Club (Massive history thread!)
a few of us went across the border for a pint last saturday by train, i noticed what i presumed to be a remnant of wats dyke by the premier inn but elsewhere it seems to be less noticeable especially down crispin lane unless i am looking in the wrong place, there are places where it is more pronounced that i have walked along such as the field leading to Pandy from the bypass, it does just look like a field bondary until you realise it is the remnants of the dyke, again in the fields by the river Alyn looking towards the Bryn Alyn hillfort it can be seen clearly, at Errdig it is again quite clear and forms part of the defences of the motte and bailey castle, which may also have been an earlier celtic hillfort, in the fields from Erddig towards Ruabon it is also quite obvious particularly where the road cuts through it right by a farm, i suppose because of the development of Wrexham large parts of the dyke are now lost
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