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Thomas Heath was born the son of George and Mary Anne, in Ramsbury, Wiltshire in February 1824
He joined The Grenadier Guards at the age of 17 and would later serve as a sergeant in the Crimean war, for which he was decorated for services relating to HMS Vesuvius assault on Sebastopol. (Sept 1854-Sept 1855)
Thomas then left the Grenadier Guards (from which he received a Chelsea Pension) and moved to Windsor where he married Sarah Rixon in 1857.
His wife gave birth to a son (Thomas Crawford) in Windsor that same year but the family would later move to Wrexham where Thomas found work as a corn miller. He also joined The Denbighshire Militia Volunteers in November 1861, and was promoted to drill sergeant of No1 Company.
Sergeant Thomas Heath was named in a number of newspaper articles as a winner of military prizes in rifle shooting competitions throughout the 1860’s, and an article in the Wrexham Advertiser also reported that he received a silver watch in reward for his duties at an event in his honour at the Feathers Hotel in January 1863.
[No title]|1863-01-31|Wrexham and Denbighshire Advertiser and Cheshire Shropshire and North Wales Register - Welsh Newspapers Online
The following year his name appeared in a small article about a new football team which had been formed by The Denbighshire County Cricket Club, and who’s first game had taken place at The Racecourse Ground on the 22nd October 1864.
Thomas would have been very familiar with both the cricket club and The Racecourse Ground, as the cricket team was made up mostly of militia volunteers, and The Racecourse Ground itself was frequently used as a training ground and drill venue for the various military units based in Wrexham at that time. And so, at the age of 40, Sergeant Thomas Heath would be one of the 10 men who laced up their boots to become the founding players of Wrexham Football Club, in their first ever game against The Prince of Wales fire Brigade.

Thomas and his family lived in Gresford for a period of around 14 years, during which, Sarah Heath gave birth to 4 children (Charles Edward, Albert David, Sarah and Robert) before the family moved to Lambeth, South London, in 1873.
The couple would have 2 more children in Lambeth (Edwin Harries and Alice Mary), before moving again to Wycombe in Berkshire, where Thomas died in 1887 at the age of 63.


Thomas Heath 1824-1887

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Scouting and team selection for our national side was also a much simpler affair back then, as can be seen from this article in The Wrexham Guardian (1879)
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I am looking for any information with regard to a G.R. Johnson who played in our first ever game in October 1864.
I have not found any information for him in the Wrexham area aside from a few games for Provincial Cricket Club (possibly related to The Provincial Insurance office, High St Wrexham) at The racecourse in the months leading up to him playing for the newly formed football club on 22nd October 1864.
He then seems to disappear from the archives, although there is a George Rose Johnson (b 1844 Cowes, Isle of White) who is recorded in the 1880/90's as the curate of St Pauls church, Birkenhead) although I cannot find any reference which links him with the person who played for WAFC. There doesn't appear to be any other G.R. Johnson's in the archives who would be at an age where he would be playing cricket and football in 1864.
Would appreciate any information from anyone, so that G.R. Johnson can be identified, and his history recorded as one of our players.
My intention would be to forward all histories of the original 10 players to WST and have them recorded and hopefully in some way commemorated (perhaps by means of a plaque) at The Racecourse.

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The Provincial ‘Welsh’ Insurance Company (a subsidiary of the National Provincial Bank) was established in 1852 and sold fire and life insurance from its office on The High Street, Wrexham. The company also created its own Fire Brigade to protect its assets in the town, but this proved to be ineffective and was soon disbanded, to be replaced by The Price of Wales Fire Brigade.

George R. Johnson and Joseph Roberts played cricket for The Provincial Insurance Office Cricket Team and both would play football for Wrexham Football Club in the clubs first ever game; moreover, an article in The Wrexham Advertiser 13th March 1869 reported ‘Saturday afternoon, the 6th March, the Wrexham Football Club (consisting chiefly of clerks of the Provincial Insurance Office), played a game of football with Ruabon Grammar School. The game ended in a draw.

Charles Edward Kershaw (an elected member of The Wrexham Board of Guardians), George R. Johnson and James Davies were all volunteers of The Prince of Wales Fire Brigade, which stabled its horses at The Wynnstay Arms on the High Street.
Formerly known as The Eagles Inn, The Wynnstay Arms had been owned by the Wynn Family of Ruaban; - major land owners of a large estate in the area, which also included much of the grazing land surrounding the Town.
Sir Watkin Williams Wynn was the MP for Denbighshire and The Lieutenant Corporal of The Denbighshire Militia and Yeomanry, as well as being a trustee of The Provincial Welsh Insurance Company. (Edwin Alfred Cross (1842-1924) was a clerk at the Insurance Company’s High Street Offices, who would later win two Welsh Cup Final winners medals for Wrexham Football Club as well as making 2 International appearances for Wales in 1876 and 1877).
As landed gentry, the male descendants of The Wynn family also held military office for Merioneth and Denbighshire and were traditionally responsible for raising military units for the defence of the realm: these included The Denbighshire and Merioneth Militia and The Denbighshire and Merioneth Yeomanry Cavalry, and it seems likely that a field at Plas Coch, at the edge of the town, was first used in association with cavalry horses, or horses that were used for hunt meetings, at the end of the 18th Century.
By 1807, some of this land had been developed into a racecourse, where public events such as The Town Purse and The Silver Cavalry Cup were staged, until drunkenness and crowd trouble led to the meetings being abandoned, around 50 years later.
However, Military association with the racecourse had persisted throughout this period and The Racecourse Ground continued to serve as a parade ground and drill venue for the various military units of the area, including The Denbighshire Rifle Militia.
The Denbighshire Militia would regularly attend civic events in the town, together with The Prince of Wales fire Brigade.
Sergeant William Tootell, Sergeant Thomas Heath and Thomas Henry Sykes were all members of the Denbighshire Militia who would play in Wrexham Football Club’s first ever game.
The Racecourse had also been used as a cricket ground for The Wrexham Cricket Club, later be known as The Denbighshire County Cricket Club, of which, Edward Manners was the chairman and Charles Edward Kershaw the vice chairman, with members including, but not limited to, Sergeant William Tootell, Joseph Roberts, Evan Morris (Captain, Denbighshire Militia Volunteers, later to be The President of Wrexham Football Club and Vice-President of The Football Association of Wales) Edwin Alfred Cross, Edward Ephraim Knibbs, Thomas Broster, Thomas Henry Sykes, George Warburton (employer of Thomas Henry Sykes) John Whittaker (Denbighshire Yeomanry Cavalry and Landlord of The Turf Hotel) James Davies (1845-1910 Volunteer in The Prince of Wales Fire Brigade, who would later score the only goal for Wrexham Football Club in the final of The Welsh Cup Final against Druids in 1878: he was also a Welsh International, winning one cap against Scotland in the same year) Arthur Henry Maurice (Lieutenant Of Denbighshire Militia Volunteers) John Taylor (Played for Wrexham Football Club in their first ever game and was a joint secretary of Wrexham Olympic FC in 1884 and The Secretary to The Football Association of Wales 1885-1897) and William Henry Prichard (Insurance Clerk and Volunteer in The Prince of Wales fire Brigade, who would play for the fire brigade against Wrexham Football Club in October 1864, but later became the Secretary of Wrexham Athletic FC in 1868)
But it was Edward Manners, The Chairman of The Denbighshire County Cricket Club who bought a football and called for volunteers to attend The Racecourse ground, where the 10 founding players of Wrexham Football Club would play their first ever game, against 10 men of The Prince of Wales Fire Brigade on 22nd October 1864.

The heraldic crest of The Prince of Wales, a plume of 3 feathers, which adorns our crest today, was also the crest of The Provincial Welsh Insurance Company, The Prince of Wales Fire Brigade, The Denbighshire Yeoman Cavalry and The Denbighshire Militia Volunteers.

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Thomas Hanmer (1839-1887) on page 2 of thread, was also the landlord of The Coach and Horses, High Street, Wrexham
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in 1871, prior to emigrating to South Africa, Thomas Broster (page 2 of thread) his wife Harriet and two daughters Harriet Mary (2) and Sarah Florence (0) are living in Lambpit Street, Wrexham; mostly likely at his parents house at No 32 Lambpit Street.

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Is there anyone who can help out with a bit of research regarding the remaining players from our original team who played against Prince of Wales Fire Brigade 1864?
The original thread was closed and there are still 3 players who need to be confirmed, although I have just started a new contract and so may not have much time for a while
The players in question are
J Taylor, G.R. Johnson and Jos Roberts.
I had originally posted that J Taylor was John Taylor who later became the secretary of the Football Association of Wales, although I now know that this is not likely to be true; Instead I have established that it was a John Taylor, born 1842, the son of John and Anne Taylor, the landlord of the Swan Inn Penybryn.
John Taylor snr was injured in an accident in 1859 and Anne taylor died the same year. John Taylor jnr then briefly became the Landlord of the Swan Inn, but he disappears from the radar after being recorded as the Swan Inn Landlord in 1868.
He had been a member of the Gentlemen of Denbighshire Cricket team in 1867 and was also recorded as being a Steward at Autumn Sports events at the Racecourse and was therefore the same John Taylor who played in our first ever game.
This seems very likely as his brother Thomas Buchannan Taylor b 1847 also later played for Wrexham Football club, winning silverware for being the best player twice during the 1870's and becoming a secretary for the club in the 1880's/90's. T.B. Taylor would also later become a counsellor For Wrexham Council .
John Taylors wife may have given birth to a son 19th September 1868 in Rhosddu.
But John Taylor then seems to disappear

G.R Johnson and Joseph Roberts both played for Provincial Cricket Club in 1864 and would likely have been insurance clerks at the Provincial Insurance office, High Street Wrexham. G.R was most likely a George R Johnson and he was a volunteer in the Prince of Wales Fire Brigade, but he then disappears from the records. Joseph Roberts may have been a shoe maker born 1841 and married and lived at crescent Terrace Wrexham in 1881, although I cannot tie him in as definitely being the same Jos Roberts who played for Wrexham.
I do not have the year of deaths for either of these people.
It is possible that either of these 3 may have had an association with the Denbighshire militia.
If anyone is retired, or anyone who has time on their hands , then any help to confirm who these people are would be very much appreciated.
a good source of information is found in http://newspapers.library.wales/

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I for one find this interesting and no doubt others who have researched football history in Wrexham also find it of interest. Why was the original thread closed?? Keep up the good work ESR
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