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6th May 2018, 07.41:41 | #514-0 (permalink) | |
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Re: The sad case of a founding members and player of Wrexham Football Club (Massive history thread!)
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The Norman Marcher Lords had encouraged immigration from all Norman-Angevin realms (Brettons, Flemings and Normans-as well as English settlers) into Marchia Wallia, as part of the Norman expansion into Wales. It would therefore seem that Madog ap Gruffyd Maelor was reinforcing demographics by shoring up the Western (Racecourse) side of the boundary with a Welsh population, before the Normans could expand east into Pura Wallia. The land that The Racecourse was built on has been fought over for millennia and played a significant role in the birth of a nation. |
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6th May 2018, 16.12:59 | #516-0 (permalink) |
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Yes that is correct WAL; Valle Crucis also had a grange at Acton, and later, lands in other areas of Wrexham. I am not sure, but think that Acton may have originally been called Northcroft. Interestingly, there was a field located between Stansty and Acton which was still known on ancient tithe maps, as ‘the field of the cross’. I understand that a part of that stone cross was later used amongst the stonework that built a wall in. Acton Park. Stansty seems to have had strategic significance as it was located on the main route into Flintshire and the rest of Wales. In terms of English history, Offa’s Dyke is significant as it was the extent of Anglo Saxon expansion, but in Welsh history, Wat’s Dyke has more significance as it seems to have been a red line for the Welsh against both the Anglo Saxons and the Normans. Could it have been the historic boundary that dated back to the Ancient Britons- the Deceangli and the Cornovii?
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6th May 2018, 16.22:41 | #517-0 (permalink) |
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Re: The sad case of a founding members and player of Wrexham Football Club (Massive history thread!)
Cross of the field , sounds like it would be Croes yn eirus (?)
When you stand at junction of Sandway Rd and Chester Rd and look at original stone boundary acton wall you can still see the cross |
6th May 2018, 16.29:06 | #518-0 (permalink) | |
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Do you know if anyone has ever dated the cross as I have not been able to find a date related to when the cross was first erected? Last edited by eastsussexred; 6th May 2018 at 16.40:50.. |
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6th May 2018, 18.29:26 | #519-0 (permalink) | |
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The current block of stone in the boundary wall of Acton Park is a part of the original base of a cross which stood in a nearby field, and was recorded in Nordens survey of 1620. although the original date of the cross is not recorded. By the middle of the 19th Century little remained of the cross and so Foster Cunliffe removed a chunk of its base and had it built into the boundary wall of his residence at Acton Park. A cross was then inscribed into the stone, to make it recognisable. Last edited by eastsussexred; 6th May 2018 at 18.31:35.. |
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6th May 2018, 19.07:25 | #520-0 (permalink) | |
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My attention was initially drawn to it after reading one early archaeologists report that Elliseg's Pillar might have originally been located in a different place and I had wondered if Eliseg's pillar and 'the cross in the field' had the same origin; especially as the population of Llangwestl were moved to Stansty when Valle Crucis was built, but subsequently found that it wasnt. None-the- less, the fact that it was still standing in a field in the 17th Century suggested that it may have been of early origin, and is not really suprising considering the land owned by Valle Crucis in the area from the 13th Century |
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6th May 2018, 20.34:54 | #521-0 (permalink) | |
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7th May 2018, 12.31:25 | #522-0 (permalink) |
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In 1785 Foster Cunliffe bought Croes Eneurys farm, including 'the field of the cross' and four years later he bought additional nearby fields called 'Erw St Silyn' (St Silin's acre) and 'Erw Groes' (Acre of the cross).
As Norden's survey had recorded the 'field of the cross' in 1620, and fields of 'Silin's acre' were recorded in the 18th Century, then it suggests that there was possibly a church dedicated to St Silin in that location in the very distant past. Silin, or Sulien who was born in the 6th Century, was believed to have been the son of a Welsh prince or King- most likely, Brochwael Ysgythrog (The King of The Ancient Kingdom of Powys) as mentioned in an earlier post, and he was said to have founded churches in Denbighshire and Cardiganshire. Llansilin in Oswestry is said to be named after him He was credited as being one of the founding Christians in Wales and an essay on the Welsh Saints, which was published in 1836, claimed that in Wrexham there was still in existence the ruins of a chapel that was named after him. |
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