The massive Wrexham AFC history thread (The sad case of a founding members and player of Wrexham...)

[Rob]

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[WasanActonlad]

Rob thank you much appreciated....ta la'd

[jonesfach]

Originally Posted by WasanActonlad

Rob thank you much appreciated....ta la'd

[eastsussexred]

Agreed thanks Rob

[WasanActonlad]

Originally Posted by eastsussexred

Is there anyone who can help out with a bit of research regarding the remaining players from our original team who played against Prince of Wales Fire Brigade 1864?
The original thread was closed and there are still 3 players who need to be confirmed, although I have just started a new contract and so may not have much time for a while
The players in question are
J Taylor, G.R. Johnson and Jos Roberts.
I had originally posted that J Taylor was John Taylor who later became the secretary of the Football Association of Wales, although I now know that this is not likely to be true; Instead I have established that it was a John Taylor, born 1842, the son of John and Anne Taylor, the landlord of the Swan Inn Penybryn.
John Taylor snr was injured in an accident in 1859 and Anne taylor died the same year. John Taylor jnr then briefly became the Landlord of the Swan Inn, but he disappears from the radar after being recorded as the Swan Inn Landlord in 1868.
He had been a member of the Gentlemen of Denbighshire Cricket team in 1867 and was also recorded as being a Steward at Autumn Sports events at the Racecourse and was therefore the same John Taylor who played in our first ever game.
This seems very likely as his brother Thomas Buchannan Taylor b 1847 also later played for Wrexham Football club, winning silverware for being the best player twice during the 1870's and becoming a secretary for the club in the 1880's/90's. T.B. Taylor would also later become a counsellor For Wrexham Council .
John Taylors wife may have given birth to a son 19th September 1868 in Rhosddu.
But John Taylor then seems to disappear

G.R Johnson and Joseph Roberts both played for Provincial Cricket Club in 1864 and would likely have been insurance clerks at the Provincial Insurance office, High Street Wrexham. G.R was most likely a George R Johnson and he was a volunteer in the Prince of Wales Fire Brigade, but he then disappears from the records. Joseph Roberts may have been a shoe maker born 1841 and married and lived at crescent Terrace Wrexham in 1881, although I cannot tie him in as definitely being the same Jos Roberts who played for Wrexham.
I do not have the year of deaths for either of these people.
It is possible that either of these 3 may have had an association with the Denbighshire militia.
If anyone is retired, or anyone who has time on their hands , then any help to confirm who these people are would be very much appreciated.
a good source of information is found in Welsh Newspapers Online - Home

Have located a photograph of Thomas Buchanan Taylor though in later years.
In Alistair Williams 's "Old Wrexham" and Dodd's "History of Wrexham".
Its the Jubilee council photograph in 1907. T B Taylor is seated front row extreme right. In the Dodd's book he is listed as T. Buchanan Taylor.

There are reports on line in the Advertiser of Football club Athletic meetings were Buchanan Taylor appeared to win every race he entered . In the 1860's.

[WasanActonlad]

Originally Posted by eastsussexred

The Prince of Wales Volunteer Fire Brigade (formed 1863)

As per Alistair Williams book "Old Wrexham, a collection of photographs volume 4", this photo is stated as being circa 1875.
The Prince of Wales Volunteer brigade was established in 1863, comprising of 7 members of the Provincial Insurance Company staff, 10 local tradesmen and a number of other volunteers.

Names of photographed firemen are..-
Back row L-R, Fireman Stephens,, Lieutenant Vaughan, Captain Evans, Sergeant Davies, Fireman D. Samuel,
Middle row L-R, Fireman Thompson, Fireman Fisk, Branchman Randles, Branchman Smith, Fireman Jos Lloyd, Branchman A. Davies.
Font row..L-R... Fireman T. Samuel, Branchman Loxham, Engineer Lloyd, and Firemen dog Charlie.....

[eastsussexred]

Originally Posted by WasanActonlad

Have located a photograph of Thomas Buchanan Taylor though in later years.
In Alistair Williams 's "Old Wrexham" and Dodd's "History of Wrexham".
Its the Jubilee council photograph in 1907. T B Taylor is seated front row extreme right. In the Dodd's book he is listed as T. Buchanan Taylor.

There are reports on line in the Advertiser of Football club Athletic meetings were Buchanan Taylor appeared to win every race he entered . In the 1860's.

Fantastic news WAL. I had seen reference to the book, but didn't know what the photo's were as I couldn't find an electronic version.
I had read a bit about TB taylor; he does appear to have been a good footballer and sportsman of his time.
Do you have a copy of the photo? It would be good to forward it to Pete Jones for record.
I believe his father John Taylor may have been involved in some way with Wrexham Cricket Club, before he was injured in 1859, and I think TB taylor died in 1911 and was buried in Wrexham.
I am still trying to find the history of Thomas's brother (John)who played in our first ever game, but just keep being drawn down blind alleys at the moment.
Really good news that you found a photo of him though, as photo's seem particularly difficult to find. Hopefully I will soon have a photo of Thomas Broster too.

[eastsussexred]

Originally Posted by WasanActonlad

As per Alistair Williams book "Old Wrexham, a collection of photographs volume 4", this photo is stated as being circa 1875.
The Prince of Wales Volunteer brigade was established in 1863, comprising of 7 members of the Provincial Insurance Company staff, 10 local tradesmen and a number of other volunteers.

Names of photographed firemen are..-
Back row L-R, Fireman Stephens,, Lieutenant Vaughan, Captain Evans, Sergeant Davies, Fireman D. Samuel,
Middle row L-R, Fireman Thompson, Fireman Fisk, Branchman Randles, Branchman Smith, Fireman Jos Lloyd, Branchman A. Davies.
Font row..L-R... Fireman T. Samuel, Branchman Loxham, Engineer Lloyd, and Firemen dog Charlie.....

I forget where I found that photo WAL. Although there are a few copies online. I did see a reference to the date being related to the type of horse drawn engine in the background, which I think said was recent to the founding of the Fire Brigade. Obviously, if the copy comes from the book with the actual names of the volunteers, then the date you specify must be correct.
I will try to find out at a later date if any of the Fire Brigade volunteers in the photos, played for WAFC, although, as I am sure you also find that if you diverge too much from those you are trying to find, then everything tends to become a bit clouded.

[eastsussexred]

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