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6th March 2019, 12.28:33 | #568-0 (permalink) | |
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Re: The sad case of a founding members and player of Wrexham Football Club (Massive history thread!)
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6th March 2019, 12.40:37 | #569-0 (permalink) | |
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6th March 2019, 13.01:54 | #570-0 (permalink) |
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Re: The sad case of a founding members and player of Wrexham Football Club (Massive history thread!)
John Evans map 1793-95 also appears to show a small plot of land, or a building, in the location of the current Turf Hotel, and while magnification of the map is not very clear, it also appears to show a plot of land in the apex of the junction between Mold Road and Crispin Lane, which would later be known as The Turf Tavern Gardens.
If correct, this would push the date of the original Turf Tavern, back into the 18th Century and would also add additional weight to the idea that Y Cae Ras was the location of horse racing in Wrexham from a much earlier period than is currently accepted. |
28th March 2019, 12.43:12 | #571-0 (permalink) |
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Re: The sad case of a founding members and player of Wrexham Football Club (Massive history thread!)
John Evans map of 1793-95 (attached) clearly shows Wat’s Dyke as an unbroken line, following a course from what we now know as Crispin Lane, down to Felin Puleston and beyond to Wynnstay. Moreover, John Norden appears to have walked this pathway (then known as Clawdd Wad) from Acton to Stansty, in 1620. (attached). Subsequent 19th Century maps (1819 and 1833) also recorded the line of this route, which seems to have evolved as a natural trackway on the base of the ditch of Wat’s Dyke, on the Western side of Wat’s Dyke embankment (similar to the modern view, attached, at Greefield Valley).
In the 1840’s, the embankment on the Eastern side of Wat’s Dyke, began to be removed, during the construction of railway lines, while a part of the ditch (which had evolved into a lane) was then given a gravel surface in1855 ‘After the accounts had been passed, a vote of thanks was moved to J. Foulkes, Esq. and Mr. John Harrison, Surveyors, for their zeal and activity in repairing the roads and putting them into such a creditable state. The Crispin lane, that famed lovers' promenade, has now a nice gravel walk, where true love at last has a chance presented it of running smooth if it ever means to do so!’. https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4585579/4585582/11/ However, by February 1866 local residents were complaining to the Board of Highways that The Wrexham, Mold and Connahs Quay Railway Corporation were encroaching onto the public footpath (Crispin Lane-Wat’s Dyke ditch) between Rhosddu Lane (now Rhosddu Road) and the property known as The Crispin (also known as Crispin Cottage). ‘The company have also encroached upon the public thoroughfare in Crispin Lane in two or three places by setting up palings so as to narrow the footpath.’ The borough surveyor subsequently responded ‘What is going on in Rhosddu Lane will be finished in two or three days. It has been done at my request. The company would have been glad to leave it alone only I urged them to do it. Then as to the road to the Crispin, that is wider than it was before it was diverted.’ https://newspapers.library.wales/vie...01/4579506/27/ The following month, Thomas E Minshall from WM&CQR also confirmed ‘As regards the alleged encroachment in Crispin Lane, I have only to say that neither the available road nor footway has been interfered with, but simply a. high hedge bank forming the approach to Crispin Cottage, now the property of my company, which has been levelled and pale fences substituted along the line of the footpath.’ I.E. Wat’s Dyke Embankment (high hedge bank forming the approach to Crispin Cottage), had only been removed from Rhosddu Lane to The Crispin and the lane had only been widened in this region. https://newspapers.library.wales/vie...47/4579552/23/ Then in 1882, a member of The Cambrian Archaeological Association also complained in a letter to the local press ‘Long strips of it (The embankment) have been levelled in quite recent years along Crispin-lane and between the Bersham and Ruabon Roads. I myself saw last summer another bit of it being destroyed and we may be sure the new railway company, if they are not looked after, will sooner or later sweep away a great part of what is left. The course of the projected railroad (between the present railway bridge (on Mold Road) and the workhouse) will run either along the actual site of the dyke or along a line parallel to and abutting upon it’. https://newspapers.library.wales/vie...36/4589542/36/ The railway line in this area ran parallel to Wat’s Dyke embankment, as recorded by CADW https://ancientmonuments.uk/132059-w...130m-long-offa , with the ditch on the western side of the town boundary, under the modern surface of Crispin Lane. Maps from 1793. 1819 and 1833 (before the railway was built) show that the field in the foreground of the photograph http://www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/a...round-1880-jpg was already in place before the railway was built, and so the lane in the photograph must be the natural boundary line; i.e. Wat’s Dyke ditch. In effect, most of the dyke’s embankment was either grubbed out or incorporated into the railway embankment, during the construction of the railway and station, but the ditch remained intact in many places and served as a trackway, which eventually evolved into Crispin Lane. The photograph might be the earliest photographic record of Wat’s Dyke? Published in Wrexham Football Club 1872-1950 (Images of Sport) by Gareth M. Davies and Peter Jones, I am not sure if the book is still in print RR? as I have only ever found second hand copies. Do you know if the book is still available as new, as it might be of interest to other historians, as well as those interested in football and the history of the club? Last edited by eastsussexred; 28th March 2019 at 12.47:28.. |
4th April 2019, 11.48:01 | #573-0 (permalink) |
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Re: The sad case of a founding members and player of Wrexham Football Club (Massive history thread!)
From the Advertiser, 1914, the last Paragraph is interesting but can't find any thing on the net. http://www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/a...1&d=1554378244
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4th April 2019, 12.09:09 | #574-0 (permalink) | |
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4th April 2019, 14.43:09 | #576-0 (permalink) | |
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Ogilbys Road map of 1675 (previously attached) had shown that The Crispin was a substantial property in the region, at least on par with Plas Coch, but the entire area had previously been named after the Crispin, including the land that The Racecourse was built on, as shown on the map from 1793-95 (attached). Richard Williams of Penbedw died at Oswestry in 1759, but an artcle in the Shrewsbury Chronicle of 1774 (attached) confirmed that he had been a breeder of hunt and race horses 'The above mare was called Vendecea and bred by the late Richard Williams Esq of Penbedw' and that he was still being credited with his stud, some 15 years after his death. The property known as The Crispin was known to still have stables in the mid 19th Century, when it was demolished, but Richard Williams occupancy of the the property during the 1730's also makes it likely that he was breeding horses on Crispin Lane, as he was a man of means; landed gentry who was a member of the two most powerful and wealthy families in Wales (the Williams's and the Wynn's). When added to this, the fact that The London Evening Post were advertising The Wrexham Races on the 'new Course' in 1739, while Richard Williams lived at The Crispin, and the William's Wynn's were promoting the races, then it seems probable that it was Richard Williams who bought horseracing to those fields off Crispin Lane, some 70 years before Sir Watkin Williams Wynn (4th Bart) was credited with building Y Cae Ras. Last edited by eastsussexred; 4th April 2019 at 14.54:38.. |
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