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All is well ESR, trust you're coping with the crowds on the coast in your neck of the woods..

Once again your latest additions makes interesting reading....

The one that intrigued me is the report of the Rhyl game by the Rhyl reporter interacting with 3 other Rhylites...with the Wrexham crowd especially what he dubs as the Wrexham choir some 50 strong and their intriguing chant or rendition of "play up Wrexham".
One can almost visualise it, some 70 years later it could easily have been "come and have a go , if you think you're hard enough, " more a case then of "come and join us if you can sing"...
I do find it interesting how the descriptive language of the Victorian/Edwardian era has changed, in that the chant of "play up Wrexham" would today be a case of the chant of "C'mon Wrexham"...(yes we know during recent seasons most chants may commence with an expletive).
The 2 things actually 3 that stand out from the report, even then the crowd got behind by singing, strange how things go full circle re where crowd gather to sing..then the original MRS, we've had the tech end, then the kop, now its back to the new MRS and tech end. Unless I'm wrong the stantsy side has never been a venue for the gathering of the "in crowd".
Secondly as refurred to above the terminology of the day as in "play up Wxm", is not used to day, though those of you familier with Ireland will be aware that if a local sporting team is doing well, especially as you get close to the later stages of the "All Ireland's" for gaelic football and hurling its not uncommon when travelling through an area whose team is doing well to see banners proclaiming for example "Up Kerry" or "Up Cork"..etc...Staying with Ireland strange how in sporting terms they not use term "squad" but "panel"....one is on the "panel" for the forthcoming game, not "one is in the squad".

Anyway meanwhile back at the ranch, and getting back on track , the 3rd point is....
"could we yet again lay claim to football first"...…?

Now bear with me....
The report states how harmonious the "Wxm Choir are in their rendition of Play up Wrexham", and in musical terms describes what I believe is described as a "round", (one is not musical.....infact only song I can sing in tune is Lee Marvin's "Wandering star").
Now I'm thinking hang on isn't there something familiar about "play up Wrexham"...
Then it struck me its the famous "Pompey Chimes".....as in "Play up Pompey, play up".

Now correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Portsmouth FC were founded (you can see where I'm going with this) in about 1907.
This is a report from 1899...…
So where we chanting the "Pompey Chimes" before they became the "Pompey Chimes", and they should be called the "Wrexham Chimes"...…??????

yes I know lockdown is affecting the train of thought....
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Yes. I thought the 12th man in 1899 was interesting WAL. I think the 'play up' chant was about long before the 1904 chant of 'poor old Pompey' that later became 'play up Pompey', and so is almost certainly not of Portsmouth origin.
https://www.theguardian.com/notesand...,-2010,00.html

I will take a look to see if I can find when, where and why the 'play up' chant first emerged.
The football chant ‘Play Up ------’ appears to have come from Drury Lane theatre audiences from the 1700’s who used to call out ‘play up nosey’ to a Jewish violincello player named ‘Jacob Basevi Cervetto’ (1682–1783). See attached.
Cervetto was the leader of a Drury Lane orchestra and is said to have introduced the violincello into English theatre orchestras. The press often portrayed him as a caricature with a big nose- hence ‘play up nosey’
The phrase ‘play up’ was a common phrase shouted out to musicians in public events, such as weddings etc…. throughout the 1700’s (before amplifiers existed) and was generally meant to inspire the musician to play louder and with more gusto in venues.
The phrase then appears to have trended amongst theatre audiences in the 18th, where it was applied to the performances of orchestras and musicians in general, before finding its way onto football terraces, where it was adopted as a chant, which was meant to inspire teams to play better. In common terminology, teams who were ‘playing up’ were said to be playing well and playing with more spirit than their opposition and the chant ‘Play Up -----‘ was widely used by supporters at pretty much every football ground in the late 19th Century, and particularly in the 1890’s. It would be impossible to ever find the first instance of the chant ‘Play Up’ at any sport stadium but it seems very unlikely that it first emerged at Portsmouth; not least because it wasn’t even claimed to have been used at Pompey until the first decade of the 20th Century, and there are plenty of recorded instances of other supporters using the chant in the 19th Century.
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Interesting the 1937 attachment shows the angled stand. The earliest I thought you had managed to put a date on this was early 40s. However I can’t think much construction would have gone on between 1939-1945 so perhaps this date is correct?? Just finished being built perhaps
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With the thread now 68 pages long, I feel that it would now be more convenient to add an updated summary of the major structures that have been built on The Racecourse since it was first established.

The Turf Hotel is comprised of two individual buildings, which were each built at different times. The Turf Tavern (the lower section of The Turf Hotel) was built at some point between 1793 and 1819, and The Grandstand (the taller section with a balcony; where the bar area is today) was built sometime prior to 1833. Both of these buildings were later joined together to form the current Turf Hotel.

In the early days of racing at Y Cae Ras, temporary wooden stands were built at either side of The Turf Tavern and dismantled at the end of the race meetings each year. The earliest evidence for this comes from a newspaper report of the 1811 races, in which one of the stands collapsed and a spectator suffered a broken leg.

1854. The first permanent stand was a stone- built structure with wooden plank seating, built on the Mold Road side of the course. The stand was separated from the Turf Tavern by a gate that provided access onto the course. The Turf Tavern was also adapted with offices for race officials and changing rooms for jockeys, which were later used as changing rooms for footballers.

After the birth of Wrexham AFC in 1864, simple open air seating was gradually re-introduced to the side of the pitch on the Northern (Yale side) of the ground. The seating consisted of continuous lines of wooden planks that ran parallel along the entire length of the pitch, and which were elevated in steps that were 7 rows high.

1869. The Mold Road Stand was repaired and upgraded

1890. The Mold Road stand was renovated and extended with a new stand that had an additional gate installed at the Plas Coch the end of this stand.

1913. Major revamp of the stadium prior to the Wales v Scotland International match on 3rd March. The Mold Road stand was extended again and additional seating was provided on the flat ground between the Mold Road stand and the touchline. The height of the banks behind each goal were also increased, particularly at the Crispin Lane end, and some concrete terracing was laid at each end.
The Turf Tavern was renovated and the separate, taller section of the premises, known as The Grandstand was also renovated, internally and externally. These two buildings, which were originally separated by an alleyway, 3 metres wide, had previously been joined together at first floor level by means of lintels which spanned the alley and provided another gated entrance into the ground, but in 1913, the alleyway was bricked up, bringing the two buildings together and forming a lounge area inside of the tavern.


1921. The first covered structure for up to 2,500 standing spectators was erected at the Plas Coch end of the pitch at a cost of £100, which was paid for by the Shareholders Association. At the same time, the height of The Mold Road stand was raised to provide more seating and the height of the terraced embankment at the Crispin Lane end of the ground was again increased.

1924. (May). First stand erected on the Northern (Yale side) of the pitch at a cost of £360 which was paid by the Shareholders Association. The Association formally handed control of the stand to the football club before the last home game of the 1923/24 season, against Durham City on May 3rd.1924.


1924. (September) The Plas Coch Stand was destroyed by a storm, which ripped the roof from its fixings and damaged the foundations. This was the second time that this had happened to the stand behind the Plas Coch goal.

1925. The Plas Coch structure was replaced with a new stand with a curved roof, which was painted with stripes.

1928. Concrete terracing laid to the paddock area in front of the Mold Road stand.

1929. A new covered stand (100 yards long and 25 feet deep) replaced the curved-roof structure at the Plas Coch end of the ground. Built at a cost of £750, which was provided by the Supporters Association, the stand incorporated ladder beams with diagonal cross members, which ran the full length along the front of the stand beneath the roof. The stand was officially opened by the President of the Welsh FA prior to the international game against Ireland on 2nd February.

1930. The ladder-beam design was also used for a new stand which replaced the earlier structure on the northern (Yale side) of the pitch. This stand was opened with an official ceremony, prior to the international match against England on 22nd November.

1931. (September) The angled/wing stand was constructed on Mold Road, filling the gap between the Mold Road and Plas Coch stands and providing covered accommodation for 1000 supporters. Construction work started in July and was completed in time for the opening game of the season against Chester on September 2nd. The £700 construction costs were paid by The Supporters Association

1931. (October) The length of the new stand on the northern (Yale Stand) side of the pitch was extended and its depth was increased down to the touchline, while retaining the ladder-beam design to match the Plas Coch end of the ground.
With accommodation for up to 7,000 supporters, the stand on the northern side of the pitch was now 70 yards long and 42 feet deep, and had been built at a total cost of around £900 (£368 of which was paid by the Supporters Association).
The stand was officially opened prior to the Wales v Scotland international match on 31st October 1931. The height of the ‘Spion Kop’ terracing at the Crispin Lane end of the ground had also been raised again to increase capacity for this match.

1937. Both the Yale Stand and The Plas Coch Stands were each extended to merge into a single structure, while new terracing was also laid to both ends of the ground in time for the FA Cup tie against Manchester City on 16th January.


1948. A conversion of the area under the Mold Road stand provided new changing rooms for players, while a new entrance was erected at the northern (Yale side) of the ground. The work to the dressing rooms had been started in April 1947 and completed in time for the international match against Ireland on March 10th 1948.

1952. Old terracing removed and new raised concrete terracing laid on the Crispin Lane end of ground to form the kop.

1957. Ground improvements included a new entrance and turnstiles next to The Turf Hotel, with a new stand in the enclosure providing 250 tip-up seats for season ticket holders. A new concrete boundary wall was also built around the pitch to replace railings and additional terracing was constructed on the kop to increase the ground capacity to 40,000.

1959. New floodlights switched on for the home tie against Swindon on 30th September.

1962. A new 700-seater stand, which was comprised of a reclaimed balcony from The Majestic Cinema in Wrexham, was erected on the kop and opened for the start of the 1962/63 season. First known as ‘The Busfield Stand’ due to an advertising hoarding on the front of the structure, the stand later became known as ‘The Pigeon Loft’. The stand was bought and erected at a cost of £4,000, which was paid by the Supporters Association.

1972. A New £80,000 stand was opened on the Yale side of the ground, which was comprised of an upper tier of seated accommodation and lower terraces for standing spectators close to the pitch. The base of the stand also provided office space for club officials, changing rooms and the hospitality rooms, which are now known as the Centenary Club.

1978. Another two-tired stand costing around £200,000 was opened at the Plas Coch end of ground, replacing the earlier ‘tech end’. Like the Yale Stand, the new stand was comprised of an upper tier for seated supporters and a lower section of terraces.

1999. The Mold Road Stand and the old changing rooms of The Turf Tavern were demolished to make way for the current 3,500-seater Mold Road Stand.
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Interesting the 1937 attachment shows the angled stand. The earliest I thought you had managed to put a date on this was early 40s. However I can’t think much construction would have gone on between 1939-1945 so perhaps this date is correct?? Just finished being built perhaps
Hi jonesfach, I hope you are well? As above- the angled stand was opened in September 1931

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Hi jonesfach, I hope you are well? As above- the angled stand was opened in September 1931
Ah thanks I must of missed that bit of info.
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With the thread now 68 pages long, I feel that it would now be more convenient to add an updated summary of the major structures that have been built on The Racecourse since it was first established.

The Turf Hotel is comprised of two individual buildings, which were each built at different times. The Turf Tavern (the lower section of The Turf Hotel) was built at some point between 1793 and 1819, and The Grandstand (the taller section with a balcony; where the bar area is today) was built sometime prior to 1833. Both of these buildings were later joined together to form the current Turf Hotel.

In the early days of racing at Y Cae Ras, temporary wooden stands were built at either side of The Turf Tavern and dismantled at the end of the race meetings each year. The earliest evidence for this comes from a newspaper report of the 1811 races, in which one of the stands collapsed and a spectator suffered a broken leg.

1854. The first permanent stand was a stone- built structure with wooden plank seating, built on the Mold Road side of the course. The stand was separated from the Turf Tavern by a gate that provided access onto the course. The Turf Tavern was also adapted with offices for race officials and changing rooms for jockeys, which were later used as changing rooms for footballers.

After the birth of Wrexham AFC in 1864, simple open air seating was gradually re-introduced to the side of the pitch on the Northern (Yale side) of the ground. The seating consisted of continuous lines of wooden planks that ran parallel along the entire length of the pitch, and which were elevated in steps that were 7 rows high.

1869. The Mold Road Stand was repaired and upgraded

1890. The Mold Road stand was renovated and extended with a new stand that had an additional gate installed at the Plas Coch the end of this stand.

1913. Major revamp of the stadium prior to the Wales v Scotland International match on 3rd March. The Mold Road stand was extended again and additional seating was provided on the flat ground between the Mold Road stand and the touchline. The height of the banks behind each goal were also increased, particularly at the Crispin Lane end, and some concrete terracing was laid at each end.
The Turf Tavern was renovated and the separate, taller section of the premises, known as The Grandstand was also renovated, internally and externally. These two buildings, which were originally separated by an alleyway, 3 metres wide, had previously been joined together at first floor level by means of lintels which spanned the alley and provided another gated entrance into the ground, but in 1913, the alleyway was bricked up, bringing the two buildings together and forming a lounge area inside of the tavern.


1921. The first covered structure for up to 2,500 standing spectators was erected at the Plas Coch end of the pitch at a cost of £100, which was paid for by the Shareholders Association. At the same time, the height of The Mold Road stand was raised to provide more seating and the height of the terraced embankment at the Crispin Lane end of the ground was again increased.

1924. (May). First stand erected on the Northern (Yale side) of the pitch at a cost of £360 which was paid by the Shareholders Association. The Association formally handed control of the stand to the football club before the last home game of the 1923/24 season, against Durham City on May 3rd.1924.


1924. (September) The Plas Coch Stand was destroyed by a storm, which ripped the roof from its fixings and damaged the foundations. This was the second time that this had happened to the stand behind the Plas Coch goal.

1925. The Plas Coch structure was replaced with a new stand with a curved roof, which was painted with stripes.

1928. Concrete terracing laid to the paddock area in front of the Mold Road stand.

1929. A new covered stand (100 yards long and 25 feet deep) replaced the curved-roof structure at the Plas Coch end of the ground. Built at a cost of £750, which was provided by the Supporters Association, the stand incorporated ladder beams with diagonal cross members, which ran the full length along the front of the stand beneath the roof. The stand was officially opened by the President of the Welsh FA prior to the international game against Ireland on 2nd February.

1930. The ladder-beam design was also used for a new stand which replaced the earlier structure on the northern (Yale side) of the pitch. This stand was opened with an official ceremony, prior to the international match against England on 22nd November.

1931. (September) The angled/wing stand was constructed on Mold Road, filling the gap between the Mold Road and Plas Coch stands and providing covered accommodation for 1000 supporters. Construction work started in July and was completed in time for the opening game of the season against Chester on September 2nd. The £700 construction costs were paid by The Supporters Association

1931. (October) The length of the new stand on the northern (Yale Stand) side of the pitch was extended and its depth was increased down to the touchline, while retaining the ladder-beam design to match the Plas Coch end of the ground.
With accommodation for up to 7,000 supporters, the stand on the northern side of the pitch was now 70 yards long and 42 feet deep, and had been built at a total cost of around £900 (£368 of which was paid by the Supporters Association).
The stand was officially opened prior to the Wales v Scotland international match on 31st October 1931. The height of the ‘Spion Kop’ terracing at the Crispin Lane end of the ground had also been raised again to increase capacity for this match.

1937. Both the Yale Stand and The Plas Coch Stands were each extended to merge into a single structure, while new terracing was also laid to both ends of the ground in time for the FA Cup tie against Manchester City on 16th January.


1948. A conversion of the area under the Mold Road stand provided new changing rooms for players, while a new entrance was erected at the northern (Yale side) of the ground. The work to the dressing rooms had been started in April 1947 and completed in time for the international match against Ireland on March 10th 1948.

1952. Old terracing removed and new raised concrete terracing laid on the Crispin Lane end of ground to form the kop.

1957. Ground improvements included a new entrance and turnstiles next to The Turf Hotel, with a new stand in the enclosure providing 250 tip-up seats for season ticket holders. A new concrete boundary wall was also built around the pitch to replace railings and additional terracing was constructed on the kop to increase the ground capacity to 40,000.

1959. New floodlights switched on for the home tie against Swindon on 30th September.

1962. A new 700-seater stand, which was comprised of a reclaimed balcony from The Majestic Cinema in Wrexham, was erected on the kop and opened for the start of the 1962/63 season. First known as ‘The Busfield Stand’ due to an advertising hoarding on the front of the structure, the stand later became known as ‘The Pigeon Loft’. The stand was bought and erected at a cost of £4,000, which was paid by the Supporters Association.

1972. A New £80,000 stand was opened on the Yale side of the ground, which was comprised of an upper tier of seated accommodation and lower terraces for standing spectators close to the pitch. The base of the stand also provided office space for club officials, changing rooms and the hospitality rooms, which are now known as the Centenary Club.

1978. Another two-tired stand costing around £200,000 was opened at the Plas Coch end of ground, replacing the earlier ‘tech end’. Like the Yale Stand, the new stand was comprised of an upper tier for seated supporters and a lower section of terraces.

1999. The Mold Road Stand and the old changing rooms of The Turf Tavern were demolished to make way for the current 3,500-seater Mold Road Stand.
The open air seating which consisted of 7 rows of wooden planks and which ran the entire length of the pitch on the Yale side of the ground, can be seen in this pushball photo from 1907 (attached)
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The open air seating which consisted of 7 rows of wooden planks and which ran the entire length of the pitch on the Yale side of the ground, can be seen in this pushball photo from 1907 (attached)
Wow! that's superb! I must set aside a few hours and read through the whole of this thread. Great work!
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Wow! that's superb! I must set aside a few hours and read through the whole of this thread. Great work!
Thanks FTR. The history of Wrexham Football Club and The Racecourse is now also recorded on footballhistory.org.
https://www.footballhistory.org/club/wrexham.html
The article identifies Wrexham AFC as pioneers in the history of football, which will hopefully add provenance to our history and raise the profile of the club, particularly amongst sport and football enthusiasts and historians across the world.

https://www.footballhistory.org/about.html is a project which was founded for the purpose of identifying and recording the history of football
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Amazing respect ESR - I hope you enjoyed preparing/presenting this work as much as I enjoyed reading it.
Along with many other things it highlights the continual development and changing face of our Club. We may be currently in very deep shit but the wheel turns full circle and with our heritage and loyal support we'll see sunlight again.
Simply excellent!
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