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Old 16th May 2017, 09.45:05   #41-0 (permalink)
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Sorry to chirp in with 'airy fairy' stuff but: the club needs to get itself a mission statement, a vision and some values. If it already has these then I'm sorry but I haven't seen anything of them.

e.g. found this example: Vision, Mission and Values | DIY Committee Guide


Mission statement my arse. I'm sorry.

If it said to "promote from within" yet the money that's filtered to the youth set up is peanuts, it kind of makes a mockery.

Perhaps an "honesty" statement??

My honesty statement would be...

"We need at least 2k season ticket holders to make the club a sustainable professional football club".

How is this achieved?

By sacking a manager at some point in the season and creating good feeling during the closed season so fans renew their ST.
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Old 16th May 2017, 09.48:27   #42-0 (permalink)
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The club isn't set up for a 3 year plan. I don't know why people keep mentioning it.
I didn't say we had a 3 year plan I was just asking what was the expectation given that Keates now has 3 years on his contract.

I think the phrase 'hand to mouth' that I used in terms of the current operational model kind of says that its basically a 1 year plan from the board yet they give a 3 year contract to the manager.

According to Keates and Darlo in their media interviews then things are changing behind the scenes on the football front and with a longer term view.

This also has to translate into off the pitch activity and how we grow the club because for me this hasn't happened.
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Old 16th May 2017, 09.50:32   #43-0 (permalink)
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Pagl, I know the thread is re 3 year expectations rather than plan. They are two different things, entirely.
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Old 16th May 2017, 09.52:19   #44-0 (permalink)
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Mission statement my arse. I'm sorry.

If it said to "promote from within" yet the money that's filtered to the youth set up is peanuts, it kind of makes a mockery.

Perhaps an "honesty" statement??

My honesty statement would be...

"We need at least 2k season ticket holders to make the club a sustainable professional football club".

How is this achieved?

By sacking a manager at some point in the season and creating good feeling during the closed season so fans renew their ST.
So, without these lines in the sand how do we judge the effectiveness of the achievements (or not) of the Trust?
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Old 16th May 2017, 09.52:38   #45-0 (permalink)
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Genuine question. For those who believe promotion in 3 years is the bottom line, how would you feel about Keates if we finished 3rd in that season and still didn't get promoted?
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Genuine question. For those who believe promotion in 3 years is the bottom line, how would you feel about Keates if we finished 3rd in that season and still didn't get promoted?
We will cross that bridge if and when it happens!
No one knows how this coming season will pan out, I don't even know what to expect because we've made one signing so far.

We could sign 12 top class players and who knows if they will all gel together into a team? We could sign 15 hardly known players who mould into a Keates style Dirty Dozen that helps us win the league like Cheltenham Town did!

Then there is the York City doomsday scenario! However, after the way Keates worked to steer the ship from the way it was heading last season I think we are going in the right direction again!
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Old 16th May 2017, 09.59:30   #47-0 (permalink)
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So, without these lines in the sand how do we judge the effectiveness of the achievements (or not) of the Trust?


Without wishing to be blunt or facetious, achievement is looking at the league table.
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Without wishing to be blunt or facetious, achievement is looking at the league table.
So promoted but no ethics, no money and no future?
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3 year expectations

2017/18 National league champions
2018/19 Leauge two champions
2019/20 League one champions


Is that expecting too much?
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Old 16th May 2017, 10.05:28   #50-0 (permalink)
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Without wishing to be blunt or facetious, achievement is looking at the league table.
Whilst that is the ultimate measure of success and achievement there are many other facets to the club and the way it is run that do need to be measured and also reviewed if we are to improve.

The key factor as we all know is bums on seats which is achieved with a more successful team - however if we were to get 5,000 through the gate and then not then make sales of beer, food and many other things then we are losing on a great wedge of money that could be ploughed back into the club and in turn pay for better players.

There has to be a longer term vision both on the pitch but more importantly off it. Again I say we haven't achieved this.
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