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pagl 15th May 2017 20.11:23

3 Year expectations?
 
Now DK has managed to avert the potential disaster that was looming under Mills and the board took the brave step to sack Mills in the aftermath of his disastrous close season decisions then what do you think we can reasonably expect over the next 3 years.

On the football side then DK has to rebuild the identity of the squad and the team. Last years team was completely soulless and in reality there was not much affinity between most of the squad/team and the fans. Once Manny was released we lost any sort of continuity and became a team of 1 season chancers.

I think DK will need to put his faith in at least 5 players that will be core to his plans for at least 18 months and possibly 2 years. Dunn has only signed for a year and likewise Hurst and Rutherford and I don't see anything wrong with this. However DK needs to find his Creighton, his Ashton, his Danny Wright and even his Keates - something he will look to build around.

Off the pitch what should we be doing better, are the trust growing the club or merely just trying to survive on a hand to mouth existence? Last years losses show we have lived over and above our means and lets hope it was a valuable lesson.

What is happening with trust membership - why are we not seeing any initiatives in this area as apart from the one off 'selling the membership soul' for Stoke FA Cup tickets we don't seem to have made any progress in this area at all. Lapsed memberships, membership card problems etc. all seem to indicate a lack of imagination and creativity in this area.

It will be interesting to know the success of this summers concerts and where we are in terms of progress against the 2 and 3 year plans.

Gold bond - when are we going to see moves to bring this in-house and then start to grow this and increase profits.

What changes are going to be made to the kiosks and bars inside the ground - any plans for the ill-fated Jonseys bar and maybe a 50, 60 or 70" screen that can be seen from more than 3 foot away :)

I feel next season is going to be a big watershed for our club, Wrexham fans are desperate for success and we need this club to start the green shoots of recovery after going backwards on the pitch for the last 3-4 years.
The ageing fans base still able to recall cup exploits, 3 or 4 promotions and some exciting players isn't going to last forever and we need the next generations of fans coming through and wanting to watch this club and they need a club with some identity.

I think the changes need to start now - no more excuses of asset strippers, clearing historic debts and a manager that would have taken us down.

The BTB initiative has shown there is still life in the 'old dog' and a few positive signings, some momentum on ST sales and then a decent start to the season and things will really look at lot different in September.

StattoWrexham 15th May 2017 20.18:15

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=pagl;2027506]Now DK has managed to avert the potential disaster that was looming under Mills and the board took the brave step to sack Mills in the aftermath of his disastrous close season decisions then what do you think we can reasonably expect over the next 3 years.

On the football side then DK has to rebuild the identity of the squad and the team. Last years team was completely soulless and in reality there was not much affinity between most of the squad/team and the fans. Once Manny was released we lost any sort of continuity and became a team of 1 season chancers.

I think DK will need to put his faith in at least 5 players that will be core to his plans for at least 18 months and possibly 2 years. Dunn has only signed for a year and likewise Hurst and Rutherford and I don't see anything wrong with this. However DK needs to find his Creighton, his Ashton, his Danny Wright and even his Keates - something he will look to build around.

Off the pitch what should we be doing better, are the trust growing the club or merely just trying to survive on a hand to mouth existence? Last years losses show we have lived over and above our means and lets hope it was a valuable lesson.

What is happening with trust membership - why are we not seeing any initiatives in this area as apart from the one off 'selling the membership soul' for Stoke FA Cup tickets we don't seem to have made any progress in this area at all. Lapsed memberships, membership card problems etc. all seem to indicate a lack of imagination and creativity in this area.

It will be interesting to know the success of this summers concerts and where we are in terms of progress against the 2 and 3 year plans.

Gold bond - when are we going to see moves to bring this in-house and then start to grow this and increase profits.

What changes are going to be made to the kiosks and bars inside the ground - any plans for the ill-fated Jonseys bar and maybe a 50, 60 or 70" screen that can be seen from more than 3 foot away :)

I feel next season is going to be a big watershed for our club, Wrexham fans are desperate for success and we need this club to start the green shoots of recovery after going backwards on the pitch for the last 3-4 years.
The ageing fans base still able to recall cup exploits, 3 or 4 promotions and some exciting players isn't going to last forever and we need the next generations of fans coming through and wanting to watch this club and they need a club with some identity.

I think the changes need to start now - no more excuses of asset strippers, clearing historic debts and a manager that would have taken us down.

The BTB initiative has shown there is still life in the 'old dog' and a few positive signings, some momentum on ST sales and then a decent start to the season and things will really look at lot different in September.[/QUOTE]

Promotion within these 3 years!
That is what I expect and that is what I want, nothing else matters. We've gone too long without a proper challenge.

SteveWAFC 15th May 2017 21.01:49

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=StattoWrexham;2027509]Promotion within these 3 years!

That is what I expect and that is what I want, nothing else matters. We've gone too long without a proper challenge.[/QUOTE]



This. I'm not expecting it to be done this season, but I expect to see a team really challenging and see signs at the end of the season that gives me belief for the following season that with a few more pieces, we can complete the puzzle.


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Hightown Brymbo Red 15th May 2017 21.02:59

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=pagl;2027506]Now DK has managed to avert the potential disaster that was looming under Mills and the board took the brave step to sack Mills in the aftermath of his disastrous close season decisions then what do you think we can reasonably expect over the next 3 years.

On the football side then DK has to rebuild the identity of the squad and the team. Last years team was completely soulless and in reality there was not much affinity between most of the squad/team and the fans. Once Manny was released we lost any sort of continuity and became a team of 1 season chancers.

I think DK will need to put his faith in at least 5 players that will be core to his plans for at least 18 months and possibly 2 years. Dunn has only signed for a year and likewise Hurst and Rutherford and I don't see anything wrong with this. However DK needs to find his Creighton, his Ashton, his Danny Wright and even his Keates - something he will look to build around.

Off the pitch what should we be doing better, are the trust growing the club or merely just trying to survive on a hand to mouth existence? Last years losses show we have lived over and above our means and lets hope it was a valuable lesson.

What is happening with trust membership - why are we not seeing any initiatives in this area as apart from the one off 'selling the membership soul' for Stoke FA Cup tickets we don't seem to have made any progress in this area at all. Lapsed memberships, membership card problems etc. all seem to indicate a lack of imagination and creativity in this area.

It will be interesting to know the success of this summers concerts and where we are in terms of progress against the 2 and 3 year plans.

Gold bond - when are we going to see moves to bring this in-house and then start to grow this and increase profits.

What changes are going to be made to the kiosks and bars inside the ground - any plans for the ill-fated Jonseys bar and maybe a 50, 60 or 70" screen that can be seen from more than 3 foot away :)

I feel next season is going to be a big watershed for our club, Wrexham fans are desperate for success and we need this club to start the green shoots of recovery after going backwards on the pitch for the last 3-4 years.
The ageing fans base still able to recall cup exploits, 3 or 4 promotions and some exciting players isn't going to last forever and we need the next generations of fans coming through and wanting to watch this club and they need a club with some identity.

I think the changes need to start now - no more excuses of asset strippers, clearing historic debts and a manager that would have taken us down.

The BTB initiative has shown there is still life in the 'old dog' and a few positive signings, some momentum on ST sales and then a decent start to the season and things will really look at lot different in September.[/QUOTE]

Within 3 years we need a team pushing and achieving promotion that is the bottom line.

After that we need a review of how the club is run. A Board that is voted on by the membership and is therefore accountable to them.

The BTB should be continued as been an astounding success but we similar initiatives to raise monies in other areas from other sources.

Personally i would only have only the Yale and MRS open for matches, cut the costs that way.

We have to trust DK so he has to stay for his full contract.

NedStarksGhost 15th May 2017 21.07:06

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
This season, at least mount a play-off challenge or look like we could.

Next season has to be play-offs minimum.

Third season, promotion if we haven't already achieved it.

This season has to be a focus on team building and securing the players required. No messing about with one year deals on talented players. Retain, and at least build for next season. I can't see that being the mindset with Keates and Darlington. They won't be using this season as a buffer for next. Their target will be play-offs minimum no doubt.

Todd Sweeney 15th May 2017 21.08:48

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
Promotion. I honestly think we're the biggest team in this league. It's time to flex our muscles.

davewilli 15th May 2017 21.26:53

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=StattoWrexham;2027509]Promotion within these 3 years!
That is what I expect and that is what I want, nothing else matters. We've gone too long without a proper challenge.[/QUOTE]

I think everyone will see that as a minimum for DK, but without growing the club in all the areas PAGL has highlighted we can't expect the club to introduce the stability/consistency within the club to attract and pay better players as well as support a squad of players whwre some of our own can develop. It's chicken & egg, what comes first, grow the club or get a team that will bring the fans through the turnstiles. To me with Wxm 's potential if we do get it right off the pitch, we should consistently be in this play off places and it wil only a matter of time before we get promoted.

Being a semi-exile and running my own team I would find it difficult to find time and I'm sure there are better/more inventive fans who should be co-opted onto working groups to focus on specific areas we need to develop, ( i.e. membership, gold bond, one off iniatives to increase gates or bring newbies to games, BtB and ONETEAM). Collating ideas and undertaking some of the necessary tasks to ensure, with the supervision of the board. So we can maximise our full potential as a fans owned club and take some of the strain off the board. It is evident from the majority of posters on here, there is a better response and less negativity (perhaps born out of frustration with our lack of success) to ideas that come from the fans rather than iniatives announced directly from the board.

BtB has been fantastic but nothing less than expected and so far STs is once again looking good, but are we being as successful as we could?

Alan Attack 15th May 2017 22.28:48

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=Todd Sweeney;2027532]Promotion. I honestly think we're the biggest team in this league. It's time to flex our muscles.[/QUOTE]



What does that actually mean?

Todd Sweeney 15th May 2017 22.35:07

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2027545]What does that actually mean?[/QUOTE]

It means that I believe we have the potential to draw bigger crowds than the other teams in our league, and I include Tranmere in that. Therefore, if we see a successful team on the pitch, we will draw bigger crowds, the budget will grow further, in turn allowing us to improve the team further. It's a virtuous circle.

Whitey 15th May 2017 22.35:44

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=Todd Sweeney;2027532]Promotion. I honestly think we're the biggest team in this league. It's time to flex our muscles.[/QUOTE]

Tranmere??

Todd Sweeney 15th May 2017 22.46:31

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=Whitey;2027548]Tranmere??[/QUOTE]

If we had been in the position Tranmere had been in all season we'd have bigger crowds. We averaged nearly 4,000 bumbling along in the lower half of the conference for most of the year after 9 years down here. Not many clubs can match that.

StattoWrexham 15th May 2017 22.48:01

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=Todd Sweeney;2027547]It means that I believe we have the potential to draw bigger crowds than the other teams in our league, and I include Tranmere in that. Therefore, if we see a successful team on the pitch, we will draw bigger crowds, the budget will grow further, in turn allowing us to improve the team further. It's a virtuous circle.[/QUOTE]

Carl Darlington understands, just listen to his interview earlier.
He's a supporter so he knows what we want. Fingers crossed we are starting the road back to being a club that can challenge at the right end after 4 crappy seasons.

Whitey 15th May 2017 22.49:03

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=Todd Sweeney;2027549]If we had been in the position Tranmere had been in all season we'd have bigger crowds. We averaged nearly 4,000 bumbling along in the lower half of the conference for most of the year after 9 years down here. Not many clubs can match that.[/QUOTE]

True, your gates have been impressive and surely exceeded your boards expectations so your cash to spend this year should be plentiful!

John Neals Dynasty 15th May 2017 22.55:26

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
In 3yrs we need to have at least made the play offs.

Next season is an unknown, with the acquisition of Darlington it has To be a positive step in the right direction, we need to be at least challenging for the play offs next season even if well don't make it, we also need to turn the Cae Ras into a fortress the last 3/4 seasons we are drawing or losing to many home games.

If we are to get the next generation to come and keep coming to watch us we need to be leaving the ground with a bit of a warm glow after seeing us hardly score since the days of Vose.

As to the quote above of only use 2 sides of the ground ridiculous idea, the GUS is where our vocal support is even in such a dire season like the last it's where atmosphere is generated. But nothing will replace the old Kop for that.

So no pressure Dean it's great that you're going to have CD to mentor you.
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Lets Av A Riot 16th May 2017 06.29:07

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
for me this season i expect fringe of the play offs... maybe just sneaking in last few games.

next season strong play off contenders at least.

if still here season after expect a strong title challenge.

but regardless of above.. as a few above have poointed out.. they expect promotion within the next 3 seasons.. as do i

basdragon 16th May 2017 07.24:08

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
It makes me laugh thinking about three years on here.

If DK has a slow start , which is possible given how many new faces we have he'll be lucky to get past three games before the whinging starts.

Already had some WUMS calling for DK's head because we didn't challenge for the play offs this year.

Three years ha ha ha ha

Prodigal Dragon 16th May 2017 07.39:42

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
2017/18 - Top 7 then lap of the gods.

2018/19 - Promotion to FL.

2019/20 - Top 10 in League 2.

The club would be more suited to life in the FL. Alas, getting out of this hell-hole is bloody difficult, but not impossible.;)

Always The Kop 16th May 2017 07.52:28

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=pagl;2027506]Now DK has managed to avert the potential disaster that was looming under Mills and the board took the brave step to sack Mills in the aftermath of his disastrous close season decisions then what do you think we can reasonably expect over the next 3 years.

On the football side then DK has to rebuild the identity of the squad and the team. Last years team was completely soulless and in reality there was not much affinity between most of the squad/team and the fans. Once Manny was released we lost any sort of continuity and became a team of 1 season chancers.

I think DK will need to put his faith in at least 5 players that will be core to his plans for at least 18 months and possibly 2 years. Dunn has only signed for a year and likewise Hurst and Rutherford and I don't see anything wrong with this. However DK needs to find his Creighton, his Ashton, his Danny Wright and even his Keates - something he will look to build around.

Off the pitch what should we be doing better, are the trust growing the club or merely just trying to survive on a hand to mouth existence? Last years losses show we have lived over and above our means and lets hope it was a valuable lesson.

What is happening with trust membership - why are we not seeing any initiatives in this area as apart from the one off 'selling the membership soul' for Stoke FA Cup tickets we don't seem to have made any progress in this area at all. Lapsed memberships, membership card problems etc. all seem to indicate a lack of imagination and creativity in this area.

It will be interesting to know the success of this summers concerts and where we are in terms of progress against the 2 and 3 year plans.

[B]Gold bond - when are we going to see moves to bring this in-house and then start to grow this and increase profits.[/B]

What changes are going to be made to the kiosks and bars inside the ground - any plans for the ill-fated Jonseys bar and maybe a 50, 60 or 70" screen that can be seen from more than 3 foot away :)

I feel next season is going to be a big watershed for our club, Wrexham fans are desperate for success and we need this club to start the green shoots of recovery after going backwards on the pitch for the last 3-4 years.
The ageing fans base still able to recall cup exploits, 3 or 4 promotions and some exciting players isn't going to last forever and we need the next generations of fans coming through and wanting to watch this club and they need a club with some identity.

I think the changes need to start now - no more excuses of asset strippers, clearing historic debts and a manager that would have taken us down.

The BTB initiative has shown there is still life in the 'old dog' and a few positive signings, some momentum on ST sales and then a decent start to the season and things will really look at lot different in September.[/QUOTE]


This is being actively looked at, a meeting took place last night ( Which was not the first ) we will hopefully be in a position for a re-launch at some point this year, it needs to be right before the green light though.

A lot of work to do, but ultimately the aim and will, is for it to be just for Wrexham fans and to bring much higher profits into the club.....

StattoWrexham 16th May 2017 07.59:21

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=basdragon;2027566]It makes me laugh thinking about three years on here.

If DK has a slow start , which is possible given how many new faces we have he'll be lucky to get past three games before the whinging starts.

Already had some WUMS calling for DK's head because we didn't challenge for the play offs this year.

Three years ha ha ha ha[/QUOTE]

Will always have some people calling for the manager's head, unless you are top with 10 straight wins or something.

The key thing now is he appears to have a bit of time to get it right, there is pressure of course but I am thinking more supporters will be patient this time, we need to be because there is a lot at stake.

basdragon 16th May 2017 08.21:43

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=StattoWrexham;2027576]Will always have some people calling for the manager's head, unless you are top with 10 straight wins or something.

The key thing now is he appears to have a bit of time to get it right, there is pressure of course but I am thinking more supporters will be patient this time, we need to be because there is a lot at stake.[/QUOTE]

I hope you're right. DK and CD could be our new dream team. :hurray:

krux 16th May 2017 08.23:08

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
I don't think we can view three years as a journey on which we can build each season unless we have our key players pinned down to three year contracts.

If lads on 1 year deals get us to fifth, say, next year, then they will all be poached.

In my view we need to be putting a squad together each year that is in with a chance of qualifying for the playoffs with a hope that we have a couple of players that emerge as stars during that year and give us a chance of getting promotion.

totesey2 16th May 2017 08.24:30

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
it will be a big indicator by how many season tickets we sell as to what the fans believe will happen in the season coming up.

Alan Attack 16th May 2017 08.37:09

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=Todd Sweeney;2027547]It means that I believe we have the potential to draw bigger crowds than the other teams in our league, and I include Tranmere in that. Therefore, if we see a successful team on the pitch, we will draw bigger crowds, the budget will grow further, in turn allowing us to improve the team further. It's a virtuous circle.[/QUOTE]



I don't want to be negative however we've had bigger gates than most of the teams in this league for nearly 10 years. Let's be honest, it doesn't matter.

It's the rabble on the pitch that matters and the mantle is passed to Keates to assemble his squad.

It's up to Keates, Davies and Darlo to keep the squad fit and motivated.

Phils-an-alki 16th May 2017 08.37:24

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
I think DK has too much to do in order to get us competing at the top of the league next season. It could happen but the majority of his signings are going to have to be hits rather than misses which is a big ask. He had no choice but to release the majority so we need to be patient. If he had a spine of the team in place already then I'd be more optimistic.

He's starting from scratch so don't expect miracles.

WAFCExile 16th May 2017 08.37:38

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=NedStarksGhost;2027531]This season, at least mount a play-off challenge or look like we could.

Next season has to be play-offs minimum.

Third season, promotion if we haven't already achieved it.
[/QUOTE]


This.

Phils-an-alki 16th May 2017 08.38:17

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2027590]I don't want to be negative however we've had bigger gates than most of the teams in this league for nearly 10 years. Let's be honest, it doesn't matter.

It's the rabble on the pitch that matters and the mantle is passed to Keates to assemble his squad.

It's up to Keates, Davies and Darlo to keep the squad fit and motivated.[/QUOTE]

Agree its done little so far for us. Time for the club to step up and match the fans commitment to the club.

LWR 16th May 2017 08.44:26

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
I don't think we can win the league............... But I believe we should be in the playoffs every year.

Every year we can build on the squad/ team and each year should be more able to compete for the title. Breeding a winning mentality, that hopefully will result in the playoffs. That winning mentality than will continue when one or two players do ultimately leave.

But we need consistency and cohesion. We need to do away with the constant rebuilds and massive number of squad turnover and build for the future. Hopefully with a 2/3 year plan we can hand out a few 2 year contracts.

Todd Sweeney 16th May 2017 08.48:19

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2027590]I don't want to be negative however we've had bigger gates than most of the teams in this league for nearly 10 years. Let's be honest, it doesn't matter.

It's the rabble on the pitch that matters and the mantle is passed to Keates to assemble his squad.

It's up to Keates, Davies and Darlo to keep the squad fit and motivated.[/QUOTE]

As a fan owned club, which is run in a very lean way with the minimum possible spent on costs, and the maximum possible spent on the 1st team, I think our fan base is probably our biggest asset.

If we can challenge towards the top, I'd expect to see average crowds pushing towards 6,000 (we saw this in the early days of Mills tenure). This would hugely increase our potential budget and allow us to compete on a more level playing field with the clubs who are "sugar daddy" owned.

What I'm saying is that the potential is there for our club to compete with almost any club in this league financially despite us not having external funding.

Alan Attack 16th May 2017 08.58:05

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=Todd Sweeney;2027596]As a fan owned club, which is run in a very lean way with the minimum possible spent on costs, and the maximum possible spent on the 1st team, I think our fan base is probably our biggest asset.



If we can challenge towards the top, I'd expect to see average crowds pushing towards 6,000 (we saw this in the early days of Mills tenure). This would hugely increase our potential budget and allow us to compete on a more level playing field with the clubs who are "sugar daddy" owned.



What I'm saying is that the potential is there for our club to compete with almost any club in this league financially despite us not having external funding.[/QUOTE]



Again, I hear what you say but I'm not seeing where this 6k average is coming from.

We're operating on a phenomenal average gate given the last 3 seasons. We have the ability to get 8-9k for a playoff game and maybe double that for a Wembley trip but to average 6k is bloody tough. If we were in contention we'd average that for the last few home games.

t1954 16th May 2017 09.00:12

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
Each season we should be aiming to win the league. After 9 years in this league, the minimum must be play offs. I don't go with 3 year plan. Each year some say it is a 2 year plan. We will never get out of this league without aiming high. We cannot go on with 2/3 year plans. The plan must be for next season not any other.

DenbighRed 16th May 2017 09.18:16

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
This coming season has to be about seeing signs of clear improvement. Keates is basically starting from scratch in terms of his playing squad, which as Darlington said in his interview can be viewed as both as a positive and a negative. The good thing is Keates can bring in exactly who he wants, the bad thing is he also has to bond them and build an identity.

This season is a classic 'transitional' season. Hopefully we can build and retain a nucleus that can really give promotion a good go in 2018/19.

3 years from now I'd love to be looking forward to starting the season in the Football League.

Todd Sweeney 16th May 2017 09.28:32

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2027599]Again, I hear what you say but I'm not seeing where this 6k average is coming from.

We're operating on a phenomenal average gate given the last 3 seasons. We have the ability to get 8-9k for a playoff game and maybe double that for a Wembley trip but to average 6k is bloody tough. If we were in contention we'd average that for the last few home games.[/QUOTE]

I can't find the attendances online, but in the first few months of Mills tenure, when we looked like we would be challenging for promotion, we were getting crowds of between 5,500 and 6,700 ish. If we had a winning team then I'd expect to see similar crowds again.

Despite an appalling second half of the season our average attendance over that season was still not far off 5,000. The potential is there.

Alan Attack 16th May 2017 09.29:37

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
The club isn't set up for a 3 year plan. I don't know why people keep mentioning it.

StattoWrexham 16th May 2017 09.30:57

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=t1954;2027600]Each season we should be aiming to win the league. After 9 years in this league, the minimum must be play offs. I don't go with 3 year plan. Each year some say it is a 2 year plan. We will never get out of this league without aiming high. We cannot go on with 2/3 year plans. The plan must be for next season not any other.[/QUOTE]

Ideally after making a bit of a challenge in 15/16 under Mills, you would have expected us to make another challenge in the season just gone!

Instead we went a couple of years backwards and so we've needed another rebuild because those players just weren't good enough. Same thing happened when Wilkin took over, all we expected was to challenge and we had a mid-table flaky effort with another set of new players.

After challenging for 3 seasons running that was the benchmark for us, to do that every season, the title is always a long shot because we've not had stability on the pitch for a few years now.

NottsRed 16th May 2017 09.31:46

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=Todd Sweeney;2027607]I can't find the attendances online, but in the first few months of Mills tenure, when we looked like we would be challenging for promotion, we were getting crowds of between 5,500 and 6,700 ish. If we had a winning team then I'd expect to see similar crowds again.

Despite an appalling second half of the season our average attendance over that season was still not far off 5,000. The potential is there.[/QUOTE]

Think your right about the attendances when the football was good at the start under Mills. Lets not argue on this BUT the football quality was excellent at the time and It got people in and it even had people coming in who normally wouldn't. I know two Man U fans who cam to watch the Halifax match.

Give them good football and they will come

crazywelsh 16th May 2017 09.34:31

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2027608]The club isn't set up for a 3 year plan. I don't know why people keep mentioning it.[/QUOTE]

It's set up for a year by year basis like most are at this level with huge movement of players each season.

StattoWrexham 16th May 2017 09.34:47

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
Us fans can't look 3 years ahead at the moment though because most of us are just desperate to get out of this league (the right way not the York way).

The board will hopefully be looking 3 years ahead and I would expect their plan is for us to win promotion in that time frame, they are all supporters and want the same things as we want on here.

Alan Attack 16th May 2017 09.38:38

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=crazywelsh;2027611]It's set up for a year by year basis like most are at this level with huge movement of players each season.[/QUOTE]



Christ on a bike. We agree on something!

Our greatest chance of success is the "crest of a wave" approach which worked for Cambridge, Cheltenham and Lincoln.

They didn't have years of steady success. They assembled a decent squad, won some games early on and went from there.

DoomandGloom 16th May 2017 09.38:39

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
Sorry to chirp in with 'airy fairy' stuff but: the club needs to get itself a mission statement, a vision and some values. If it already has these then I'm sorry but I haven't seen anything of them.

e.g. found this example: [url=http://www.diycommitteeguide.org/resource/vision-mission-and-values]Vision, Mission and Values | DIY Committee Guide[/url]

StattoWrexham 16th May 2017 09.44:25

Re: 3 Year expectations?
 
[QUOTE=DoomandGloom;2027615]Sorry to chirp in with 'airy fairy' stuff but: the club needs to get itself a mission statement, a vision and some values. If it already has these then I'm sorry but I haven't seen anything of them.

e.g. found this example: [url=http://www.diycommitteeguide.org/resource/vision-mission-and-values]Vision, Mission and Values | DIY Committee Guide[/url][/QUOTE]

We had the club for half a nation stuff a few years ago, interesting concept and well thought out.
A lot of work had gone into this from a branding perspective. Obviously most people will just see where we are in the league table though!

Then there is the My Racecourse stuff which again is off field but will hopefully help us going forward. I just thought of something that may be helpful to the club from the on field side but maybe they've already got someone doing this or in the process of doing it, as Carl Darlington has spoken about the Sports science aspect in one of his interviews.


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