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Just remember that Riley came from the tramps who must have been paying him a hefty wage as I'm sure were mansfield after he left us. Mills was known to give over the top contracts I'm sure Riley and white would have been top end of our wages last season. Maybe Keates didn't wanna pay him that much and thinks we can get better or just as good for less (manny). Can't believe anyone wouldn't want Smith here, his first year he was nothing short of class, won endless amount of motm and he looked superb. How can you really judge how a player I'd when he's playing out of position where we can all see he wasn't a full back and playing under bloody Gary Mills.

This season he'll be under Keates and Darlington, playing alongside Pearson. You'll struggle to see a better partnership on paper in the league, he ain't much of a talker but Pearson is a leader, so it's a perfect fit. It's another piece to the jigsaw that I believe will have us fighting for the league.

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If we are going to have to pay a fee and his agents demands we should look elsewhere.

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[QUOTE=GarryOggy;2033951]If we are going to have to pay a fee and his agents demands we should look elsewhere.[/QUOTE]



I would suggest Marc Roberts who is originally from Cheshire , bags of experience and a free agent


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Seems to me that Keates is looking to create a team.. not a band of individuals. Don't expect a squad full of players that may seem good but, collectively, don't gell. Within that set up you need players who put in a shift and work hard for those, perhaps of greater talent, around them. Manny Smith fits in well with what Keates, and his limited budget, permits. Good, experienced signing that should bolster our back four.

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[QUOTE=Paulthered;2033953]I would suggest Marc Roberts who is originally from Cheshire , bags of experience and a free agent


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Marc Roberts ex Halifax? Barnsley have released him?


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[QUOTE=SteveWAFC;2033962]Marc Roberts ex Halifax? Barnsley have released him?


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Oh my days I've spelt it wrong . I think I meant Mark Roberts released by Cambridge


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I'd have Mark Roberts over Manny. Decent enough signing though if it comes off.
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[QUOTE=LlayDragon;2033933]Which ended 3 seasons ago; he's now closing in on the same number of appearances in the Conference.

I'd say that makes him an above average Conference defender. Why people are bragging him up as fantastic is beyond me.[/QUOTE]


Surely it's above average Conference players we should be looking at? Above average league players wouldn't come here as they'd be getting first team football in the league. We are where we are and we have to be realistic that you're not going to get a squad full of the best conference players... that's not realistic and certainly not what Lincoln had in their squad. The best conference players will sign for clubs in the league. In Keates we trust
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[QUOTE=Hawarden Red10;2033904]Same reason we let Waterfall go to Lincoln. If a player has their head turned then what choice do you have? I think Smith was their best defender alongside Hogan that day and they kept a clean sheet, can't do any more than that.[/QUOTE]

Oh you mean against our Prolific Forward line :drool5: :D

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[QUOTE=benwilliams;2033825]Bit harsh to judge Manny on being played mainly out of position and being coached by an alcoholic fraud in his 2nd season.
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This.

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[QUOTE=awaydays;2033934]Manny smith must hold the record for most man of the matches at Wrexham fc.

You can't really get a more of a reliable pro. Alongside Pearson I think it would be a class pairing.[/QUOTE]



We'll see. I'm not overawed by the potential signing but mindful we could sign worse.

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Mike's criticisms aren't unreasonable but if it's fair to say Manny looks like a good defender with the right midfield protection and a talker alongside him then it's worth noting that that's exactly the kind of setup Keates is building.
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Manny is outstanding on his day and for people to judge him on his second season here is very harsh indeed. I know for fact how unhappy he was with Mills' methods and just wanted out. His pace and reading of the game would be a perfect partnership alongside Pearson imo.

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I honestly think people are forgetting how good Manny really was. Especially whilst playing next to/ carrying Hudson.

Yes he had a lull, but he was been playing out of position at right back. And was clearly unhappy with the way Mills was running the ship. And even during his lull he was still one of our better players.

Playing next to Pearson and that is a really strong combination. Add Jennings to that and backlogs is looking really strong.


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Certainly wouldn't spend money getting him here. On a free and a reasonable wage yes, break the bank no.

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[QUOTE=LWR;2034041]I honestly think people are forgetting how good Manny really was. Especially whilst playing next to/ carrying Hudson.

Yes he had a lull, but he was been playing out of position at right back. And was clearly unhappy with the way Mills was running the ship. And even during his lull he was still one of our better players.

Playing next to Pearson and that is a really strong combination. Add Jennings to that and backlogs is looking really strong.


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We'll see LWR. He looks Rolls Royce at times but he lacks the required leadership qualities.

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[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2034044]We'll see LWR. He looks Rolls Royce at times but he lacks the required leadership qualities.[/QUOTE]

That's why we have Pearson. If you have multiple leaders at the back then who is actually doing the leading?

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[QUOTE=LMH23;2034047]That's why we have Pearson. If you have multiple leaders at the back then who is actually doing the leading?[/QUOTE]


If Pearson can get the best out of him, fair enough. I suppose all I'm saying is I'm not going to crash my yogurt truck just because Manny Smith might re-sign for us.

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[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2034053]If Pearson can get the best out of him, fair enough. I suppose all I'm saying is I'm not going to crash my yogurt truck just because Manny Smith might re-sign for us.[/QUOTE]

If not a full yoghurt truck crash, its worth a little tub of Muller Light, no?

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isnt he on a 2yr deal?

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[QUOTE=wrexhamandy;2034055]If not a full yoghurt truck crash, its worth a little tub of Muller Light, no?[/QUOTE]



Not even a spurt out the top when you peel back the foil!

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[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2034059]Not even a spurt out the top when you peel back the foil![/QUOTE]

You are a difficult man to please.

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[QUOTE=dixienormous;2034031]Manny is outstanding on his day and for people to judge him on his second season here is very harsh indeed. I know for fact how unhappy he was with Mills' methods and just wanted out. His pace and reading of the game would be a perfect partnership alongside Pearson imo.[/QUOTE]

Right on Dixie:)

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[QUOTE=billy;2034057]isnt he on a 2yr deal?[/QUOTE]

He does have a year left on his contract at Gateshead

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[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2033795]I'm not that arsed about Smith returning. He's done nothing in his career to suggest he's one of the best centre backs in this league. Not like Shaun Pearson[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LePog;2033928]Just the 150+ games at league 1 and 2 level.
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Fair point I think.

Unless DK reallys wants to spend a silly amount on a CB then Manny is about as proven as we can realistically get.
Other than that he'd be taking a gamble on a player thats unproven like Tilt was and we all know they don't always work out even though Tilt was very good for us. Better the devil you know.

Oh and don't forget he played with a LOW defender for the majority in Hudson.

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Manny would be an excellent addition to the squad. He and Mills-Bomb fell out; I know which man I would have at the club.

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Manny would be good, not concerned about his leadership qualities in a back 4 with Pearson and Jennings especially if Disley signed in the midfield to.

If the rumours of Roberts from Halifax are true and with Carra/Marx and versatile Hurst to cover that is a seriously strong defence.

Midfield is already taking a good shape, we just need the strikers and some creativity/pace.

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[QUOTE=Danny Boy;2034077]Manny would be good, not concerned about his leadership qualities in a back 4 with Pearson and Jennings especially if Disley signed in the midfield to.

If the rumours of Roberts from Halifax are true and with Carra/Marx and versatile Hurst to cover that is a seriously strong defence.

Midfield is already taking a good shape, we just need the strikers and some creativity/pace.[/QUOTE]


Sounds like a plan.

We just need the CoE to produce some of our own and we are in business.

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[QUOTE=davewilli;2034081]Sounds like a plan.

We just need the CoE to produce some of our own and we are in business.[/QUOTE]

Err Leo Smith and Olly Marx (if he signs).

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[QUOTE=Ddraigoch;2034099]Err Leo Smith and Olly Marx (if he signs).[/QUOTE]



Danny Ward...when Huddersfield sign him for £10m.

[QUOTE=Ddraigoch;2034099]Err Leo Smith and Olly Marx (if he signs).[/QUOTE]

Both have potential but not made it yet.
Its funny how some criticising Manny are those that thought Robbie Evans was a good player. Rofl
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[QUOTE=pagl;2034128]Both have potential but not made it yet.

Its funny how some criticising Manny are those that thought Robbie Evans was a good player. Rofl
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Wilkin made Rob Evans a good player and turned him into a player that was confident in the final third, scoring with great strikes home and away vs Barnet. But since that season he has gone downhill massively.


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[QUOTE=Prodigal Dragon;2034072]Manny would be an excellent addition to the squad. He and Mills-Bomb fell out; I know which man I would have at the club.[/QUOTE]
Agree. Those anti- Manny Smith are hell- bent on ' deliberately' it seems forgetting his 'out of position' selection by Mills. Manny's first year was outstanding. Very happy to welcome his return.

[QUOTE=draig arian;2034236]Agree. Those anti- Manny Smith are hell- bent on ' deliberately' it seems forgetting his 'out of position' selection by Mills. Manny's first year was outstanding. Very happy to welcome his return.[/QUOTE]

I've got no issues with him coming back but Manny's performance dropped massively in the middle too. We could do a lot worse but it is an example of how players get an easier ride once fans have decided they're amazing, even if their standards drop.
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[QUOTE=Junior Shabadoo;2034250]I've got no issues with him coming back but Manny's performance dropped massively in the middle too. We could do a lot worse but it is an example of how players get an easier ride once fans have decided they're amazing, even if their standards drop.
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I agree. Everyone remembers that he was pushed out of position, but they're also pointing out that his errors came when playing centre back. Examples include Cook bullying him, The North Ferriby striker dominating him, the lazy back pass vs Macclesfield, to name a few. All of these happened when he was playing in his normal position. He wouldn't be the worst signing, but I think we can get better.


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Manny would be a solid signing. I for one, would welcome his return. Keates knows him, rates him, we know what he can do. Get him back 'in the building' Deano!!

[QUOTE=SteveWAFC;2034251]I agree. Everyone remembers that he was pushed out of position, but they're also pointing out that his errors came when playing centre back. Examples include Cook bullying him, The North Ferriby striker dominating him, the lazy back pass vs Macclesfield, to name a few. All of these happened when he was playing in his normal position. He wouldn't be the worst signing, but I think we can get better.


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Dominating rhead at our place. Keeping Norwood quiet for 3 games v tranmere. No one is saying he had 46 perfect games in his last season but he is up there with creighton for the best aerial centre half we have had whilst we have been down here. Could almost guarantee he would gobble up any long ball.
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[QUOTE=draig arian;2034236]Agree. Those anti- Manny Smith are hell- bent on ' deliberately' it seems forgetting his 'out of position' selection by Mills. Manny's first year was outstanding. Very happy to welcome his return.[/QUOTE]

I'm all for Manny coming back. I feel safer with Manny than Tilt ( despite his potential) and Riley's fitness has been a worry, but Manny should have done better when asked to play right back, regardless of it not being his favoured position. With a small squad chances are he may have to do a job there again.

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We all know that Manny isn't a talker, but alongside a leader like Pearson we will see the best of him.

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I would be happy enough if he comes back but if he doesn't so be it.
He was good for the most part at center back he did have the odd few below par performances but overall pretty solid.
Keates knows his strengths and weaknesses and wants him back you can tell a lot more about a player if you play along side them so I trust Keates knows what Manny is all about.
We need to be realistic about what players we are going to get in and Manny is a known quantity and I would imagine from what I have seen of him a good pro.