Welsh FA to take over Colliers park

[Phils-an-alki]

Originally Posted by Todd Sweeney

I'm surprised that you need me to explain my thinking.

We owned Colliers and The Racecourse. Moss and Roberts then hived them off into a separate company and sold them to a third party. They also separated the car park at the racecourse and the land behind the Kop where the flats now stand from the other assets and kept these for themselves. They then exited the club, which was left with no assets and major debts, with Moss and Roberts having backtracked on their commitment that all proceeds from the flats would benefit the club.

I would call that stealing, or asset stripping if you like. You seemingly don't agree?

For the Welsh FA to now take over Colliers, knowing as they must do the background to how it was taken from us, is to my mind quite appalling.

But thats Moss and Roberts, Colliers was not stolen it was sold legally. Moss and Roberts going back on their word doesn't change the fact it was all legal however much it screwed the club over.

[Phils-an-alki]

Here you go Todd, you seem to be struggling to understand what stealing is:

take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

[Todd Sweeney]

Originally Posted by Phils-an-alki

But thats Moss and Roberts, Colliers was not stolen it was sold legally. Moss and Roberts going back on their word doesn't change the fact it was all legal however much it screwed the club over.

Stealing means taking something without the permission or knowledge of the owner and keeping it.

It depends on who you believe a football club belongs to. The legal owners, who come and go, or the supporters, who are with the club through thick and thin.

What Moss and Roberts did was to take something they had no moral right to take, from ordinary people in a town that is not exactly flush with cash, in order to line their own pockets. That the FAW can be blind to this is, to my mind, inexcusable.

[suttons hump]

Originally Posted by The Robin

The figure of €19,000,000 from the Euro's was also mentioned by the FAW representative and this would be North Wales share of the legacy

The FAW reperesentative stated that a fair sum was used up in the costs of the national teams expenses in France. He also said that the intention is to create a centre at Colliers, that would be of equal standards to the south wales training base, that the national teams would use. To achieve this, they would be "knocking down the changing rooms and constructing new facilities . . . and installing 2 or 3 pitches with a full size synthetic pitch."

[ABd]

Any idea how long the lease is? Must be long if they're willing to pump £5m in.

[Phils-an-alki]

Originally Posted by Todd Sweeney

Stealing means taking something without the permission or knowledge of the owner and keeping it.

It depends on who you believe a football club belongs to. The legal owners, who come and go, or the supporters, who are with the club through thick and thin.

What Moss and Roberts did was to take something they had no moral right to take, from ordinary people in a town that is not exactly flush with cash, in order to line their own pockets. That the FAW can be blind to this is, to my mind, inexcusable.

Morals have nothing to do with it. It belonged to them legally and thats all that matters, this means nothing was stolen.

I agree that is was underhanded and not in the interests of anyone but themselves but that doesn't mean they stole it.

[draig arian]

Originally Posted by barnsley

the welsh FA WILL NOT LIFT A FINGER to help us they only care about south wales clubs.

What about Colwyn Bay ?. North Wales Rugby is ' alive and very well ' thanks to the WRU. As you say, Welsh FA ?.........B All.

[wxmdoug]

Originally Posted by Phils-an-alki

Here you go Todd, you seem to be struggling to understand what stealing is:

take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

id call it legal stealing ,

Moss AND Roberts was dishonest to the club with their promises ,

they knew what they was doing ,it was all planned for them to have the land .

[wafc1926]

Originally Posted by Todd Sweeney

But those fans and the WST board voted on the basis that all proceeds from the redevelopment of the ground would go to the club, securing our long-term future, and that we would get a new Kop end. It was also never mentioned by the then owners that Colliers or the ground would be sold to a third party, and that we would no longer be allowed to use Colliers.

I have a lot of respect for you, but I'm struggling to understand your viewpoint on this one.

Firstly the respect is mutual. Admire the way you stood up to right-wing fascists on Off Topic political threads.
Of course Moss and Roberts did us over.No-one , least of all me (hated by both ), is disputing that fact. The point is that fans, on the advice of the WST board , were wrong to trust them. Morally they were bankrupt but they , as far as I am aware, kept within legal boundaries.
Time to move on and welcome the FAW plans?