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Old 21st July 2017, 17.37:47   #31-0 (permalink)
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If you're creating a museum, it makes sense to have it in a town or city where visitors frequent unless it's specifically related to that town/city.
I'd have thought the foundation of the FAW in Wrexham, the town being the organisation's HQ for a century, and the Racecourse still being the ground that has hosted more Wales internationals than any other would constitute "specific to that town/city".
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If you're creating a museum, it makes sense to have it in a town or city where visitors frequent unless it's specifically related to that town/city.
So all museums in the UK, unless specifically related to a certain town or city, should be in London in your view?
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Its got to be here.

Problem is though, people from south Wales would have to travel up to north Wales, but their is no decent rail or road service to the North so it will be located in the south.
Drove under the railway bridge on the bypass the other day..,Thought to myself, it surely wouldn't have cost that much to make it a bit wider, just in case they ever wanted to double the track again.....Sorry..drifting off topic here....and I know it was Clwyd County Council's decision...But it does show, Councillors can be useless at times....
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Examples?
The Millennium Stadium
The Cardiff City Stadium
The Liberty Stadium
The proposed new events arenas in Cardiff and Newport

All involved public money
The specific point you made was around the WG, not public money in general.

In response

1 - the Millennium Stadium was virtually built before the WG existed. The Millennium Commission paid approx £45m of the £120m cost. The remaining £75m was paid for by private investment and WRU loans.

2 - As for the Cardiff City Stadium, it is based on land the council owns. They have given it on a 125 year nominal lease to Cardiff City. In response to this, the football club agreed to build a new athletics stadium just north of this. On completion of the new athletics stadium, Cardiff City gained the 125-year rent-free lease. On the land they developed the new Cardiff City stadium and retail park. This, and the money made from selling Ninian Park for housing, paid for the stadium.

3 - the Liberty Stadium was funded by a retail development close by to the stadium.

4- the WG hasn't confirmed they are investing in the Cardiff Arena, they've just said it's vital.

As I said - the two biggest issues for us are 1) not owning the ground and 2) WCBC.

Try and find a chip for the other shoulder.

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I've said all along that the biggest issue was the council. Cardiff Council are driving all of the projects down here. It's a shame most on here are more interested in keeping their parochial attitudes and blaming the WG rather than putting more pressure on WCBC.
What are your comments based on? Public spending in some individual Cardiff constituencies is higher than what is spent in the whole of North East Wales combined. Yet Flintshire has a higher GVA than Cardiff, which suggests that more public money would be better spent in "parochial' North Esat Wales.
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What are your comments based on? Public spending in some individual Cardiff constituencies is higher than what is spent in the whole of North East Wales combined. Yet Flintshire has a higher GVA than Cardiff, which suggests that more public money would be better spent in "parochial' North Esat Wales.
The original whinge was based on the WG not spending money on a stadia in N.Wales but falling over themselves to pay for stadia in the South. As I've demonstrated, that is patently not true.

It's all about the councils. What are WCBC doing for this football club? Nothing. Contrast that with what the councils in South Wales did for their respective football teams:

* Cardiff Council gave Cardiff City land at a knock off price so they could build their stadium and use proceeds of a retail development to contribute towards the costs of stadium.

* Swansea Council let the football club have the proceeds of a retail development on council land that paid for the Liberty.

WCBC did their best to let our club die.

I am not saying that N.Wales shouldn't get more investment generally but it is completely wrong for posters on here to whinge that WAFC are not getting freebies from the WG while major sports teams down here are. It's completely not true.

Until our fanbase grasps that the answer is closer to home, we'll not get anywhere with a new stand. Too many take the easy route out and blame the WG in Cardiff.

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Cardiffred not getting at you, But do you ever watch First Minister's questions on BBC Wales? If you did you would soon realise that the north and in fact mid Wales are the forgotten parts of the country..
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Cardiffred not getting at you, But do you ever watch First Minister's questions on BBC Wales? If you did you would soon realise that the north and in fact mid Wales are the forgotten parts of the country..
I'm not saying it isn't. My family live in rural Mid Wales. (And in hindsight my paranoia comment wasn't helpful - I understand why people get emotive about things being built down here compared to Wrexham or wherever).

It's just this is not the fight to pick on that score. The WG aren't investing in stadia generally. By turning this into a "woe is me, the WG never give us anything" moan, we should direct our energies into lobbying our council to make them understand the high value that WAFC bring to the area and that they should be treating it as such.

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Maybe a town or city in Wales with more visitors, perhaps.

Ironically if it was in chester it would get greater footfall.
Possibly the most narrow minded and self-fulfilling arguement I've read on here for a while. If you used your logic nothing would ever be built outside already popular and prosperous locations, while towns like Wrexham will always get overlooked.

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Possibly the most narrow minded and self-fulfilling arguement I've read on here for a while. If you used your logic nothing would ever be built outside already popular and prosperous locations, while towns like Wrexham will always get overlooked.

Have you never watched Field of Dreams... If you build it they will come...
It's not narrow minded at all. It's a very considered view that if a Wales football was created in Wrexham, at the Racecourse specifically, it wouldn't get the numbers to sustain itself (in my opinion, of course).

Would it be open only on the weekend or during the week too? Would you except, say, 100 different people to attend every day it's open?
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