Guiseley reaction 1-1 (h)

[Prodigal Dragon]

Originally Posted by John Neals Dynasty

I've just scrolled 3 post's on the trot quoting the same long post that MH posted (not a dig Mike) to add 3-4 comments on them crazy 😈
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Just so you don't feel neglected.

[wazzock]

Originally Posted by draig arian

These ' idiots ' are in fact English referees and linesmen controlling an FA match between an English club and a Welsh club. Just saying, or perhaps to put it more delicately, making ( on my part ) an innocent observation.

Unfortunately, there ain't too many refs called Taffy Farqhuarson-Smythe.

[standingroomonly2]

Clear dive from Rutherford. Bottled taking on the chance himself and dangled a foot.
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[Phils-an-alki]

Originally Posted by standingroomonly2

Clear dive from Rutherford. Bottled taking on the chance himself and dangled a foot.
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Yep. Not sure what he was thinking. Panicked by the look of it

[Quay Red]

Originally Posted by [Removed User

;2072439]Not taken as a dig. Entirely valid point.

Just going back to the additional time thing... people seem to think it's the ref. when it's done with the 4th official.

People also seem to think the clock stops every single time there's s stoppage. It doesn't. We'd be there until 5:30 most games if it did.

When it comes to time-wasting the clock stops at the point an indication is made to the 4th official. So it's not unheard of that a 1 minute stoppage is ignored but a 1 minute stoppage that becomes 8 might only count as 7 or even 6.

Time added on is also a minimum. Our 8 did become 12 I think.

Declaring that 200 off the gate shows that crowds are beginning to stay away is perhaps just a tad hysterical. Less than a 5% drop and 50 of those were away fans!
It's actually a 10% drop in fans.
Season ticket holders are counted whether they attend or not.(2000+)
Therefore the 200 drop is in pay on the gate. The chances are that the financial implication is worse than just the 200 figure as more kids attend on a Saturday as opposed to a wet Tuesday night.

[Vorporix]

Originally Posted by [Removed User

;2072321]Mundane stuff first then.

Declaring that 200 off the gate..........................as to what the thinking is.

Interesting post Mike.

[moldroadred]

Originally Posted by [Removed User

;2072439]Not taken as a dig. Entirely valid point.

Just going back to the additional time thing... people seem to think it's the ref. when it's done with the 4th official.

People also seem to think the clock stops every single time there's s stoppage. It doesn't. We'd be there until 5:30 most games if it did.

When it comes to time-wasting the clock stops at the point an indication is made to the 4th official. So it's not unheard of that a 1 minute stoppage is ignored but a 1 minute stoppage that becomes 8 might only count as 7 or even 6.

Time added on is also a minimum. Our 8 did become 12 I think.

Sorry Mike but additional time is decided by the referee who communicates this to the fourth official. Before referees were Mic'd up they used to indicate the additional minutes in various ways, the most common being to flap their arm like a penguin

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[Quay Red]

Originally Posted by [Removed User

;2072494]So that would be 2,144 down to 1,916 which I make a drop of 11%. I'll accept that, but the question would then be why no similar level of concern at the gate for Woking? Over a season that's a fairly mundane fluctuation.

The gate itself was above our average for last season.

Mike.
It is a real concern. Normally Tuesday night games are down by 10 - 15% on a Saturday even if it's not raining.
The die hard fan will turn up all the time.
We need to put on some football to keep the casual fans and improve the gates and finances.

[ozzy red]

Originally Posted by [Removed User

;2072327]Thanks. Genuinely no inside knowledge and no other hidden agenda. Was originally against the ownership model. Now I'm a member of WST. Do have coaching badges and currently do some kids coaching although my badges are old now. Other than that I call it as I see it. Doesn't make me popular. Does sometimes make me right

Forums are rarely and inevitably not especially representative of what actually takes place at a game and many football fans often don't have a clue why something is right or wrong. One listen to a post match phone in soon corrects any contrary impressions. Saturdays booing of the ref for quite correctly letting a player stay on the pitch was nicely illustrative.

Forgot to say that, bad and predictable as Saturday was, this constant berating of games as "worst ever" etc. is just silly. This is a half decent team hamstrung by poor team selection amongst other things. Was it a poor game? Yes. Have we seen games worse than it? Yes, so many times I've lost count. Most in the modern era come nowhere near the 80s team in free fall and deservedly only watched by 3 figures periodically. Those cult heroes? A significant number were just shocking. Even last seasons Mills team was rarely as consistently bad. Toothless and unattractive for sure but rarely utterly inept. Pearson can at least hoof forward. We had one 80s centre back who, no matter how he tried, couldn't even do that.

For me entertainment is not just about winning or being attractive. It's about the pantomime of the whole thing and knowing the rules and something about tactics occasionally helps.

I love the sheer idiocy of the fact that if we can win at Tranmere we'll be 7 undefeated and still in the mix, which is all that matters right now.

I hear you
At 56 I still play with ex pros (I was never good enough) and a good mate of mine is an Ex Australian captain who played and beat England and played against Maradona
We often chat tactics etc but listening to RP it's either brilliant or rubbish
Appreciate your considered commentary and I can't argue as I don't get to see games
Still a passionate supporter and hoping to soon pay a visit to follow reds fora whole season ... home and away ... a bucket list of mine