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Old 18th September 2017, 11.27:09   #141-0 (permalink)
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Problem is, the BTB will be nowhere near next season so in theory the squad will be weaker.

Boden has been a massive waste of wages, he wasn't go to get them all right I guess.
That's if it's even been spent yet. I hope not!
Old 18th September 2017, 11.31:44   #142-0 (permalink)
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I would give every manager the minimum of a full season. All this knee jerk reaction stuff makes me laugh. This is NOT a promotion season for us. It's about forming a good base after Mills Mess up, then mount a decent challenge in August 2018.
Nice sentiments but the league is there for the taking this season and we have had BTB and Taylor monies. Strike whilst the iron is hot.

a CM and CF and we could push close.
Old 18th September 2017, 11.39:58   #143-0 (permalink)
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I agree and have said as much myself however if we were near the bottom of the league then this would have to go out the window surely?

If there's no danger of getting relegated which by the way I don't believe there is then we stick with DK this season with a view to really competing next. I know this won't wash with some but at some point we need a manger here for a few seasons.
Thats a valid point if we were struggling in 2 months time down the bottom something would have to give, but I agree I dont think that is going to happen.

Hes maybe giving the players time to improve instead of jumping the gun with new additions on loan that maybe a short term fix. I wasn't there Saturday but understand why fans are getting restless. We have a much better team on paper than they did, wages overall higher too. Im in for the long term with Keates but he needs to do better sooner rather than later.
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Old 18th September 2017, 11.45:57   #144-0 (permalink)
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Okay I will play dumb and ammuse this thread even though it sums up everything that is wrong with the club. You would sack Dean for being 2 points of top in his first full season in charge and has admitted its not an overnight job, what next? Sign a team of footballers who play like Arsenal but with Aguero up top.....all for free....and make sure we sign them before any other big club....just because we are Wrexham.....And then still sack the next manager because we have not won the league by a clear 50 points?

People need to remember this is not football manager.....and I also agree that carrington is a mistake in midfield but who else would have taken going from cluless footballers last season to having one if not the best deffence in the league and two point off top.....

Bit of releasation please
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Old 18th September 2017, 11.52:38   #145-0 (permalink)
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Okay I will play dumb and ammuse this thread even though it sums up everything that is wrong with the club. You would sack Dean for being 2 points of top in his first full season in charge and has admitted its not an overnight job, what next? Sign a team of footballers who play like Arsenal but with Aguero up top.....all for free....and make sure we sign them before any other big club....just because we are Wrexham.....And then still sack the next manager because we have not won the league by a clear 50 points?

People need to remember this is not football manager.....and I also agree that carrington is a mistake in midfield but who else would have taken going from cluless footballers last season to having one if not the best deffence in the league and two point off top.....

Bit of releasation please
If we are still 2 pts off the top following the next 7 games most will agree, bottom half, with same tactics, we are in melt down
Old 18th September 2017, 12.00:06   #146-0 (permalink)
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They play with 5 at the back and apparently have no creativity in midfield.

Sound familiar?

Cooke who most of their fans agree is their best striker is on the bench most weeks and has hardly had a sniff of goal all season. So even if we signed him he wouldn't fare any better here unless we got that elusive creative midfielder in to make things happen.
Absolutely. You could sign Messi and still not score with a weak midfield. Mind you, if we did sign him they might play him in goal.
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Okay I will play dumb and ammuse this thread even though it sums up everything that is wrong with the club. You would sack Dean for being 2 points of top in his first full season in charge and has admitted its not an overnight job, what next? Sign a team of footballers who play like Arsenal but with Aguero up top.....all for free....and make sure we sign them before any other big club....just because we are Wrexham.....And then still sack the next manager because we have not won the league by a clear 50 points?

People need to remember this is not football manager.....and I also agree that carrington is a mistake in midfield but who else would have taken going from cluless footballers last season to having one if not the best deffence in the league and two point off top.....

Bit of releasation please
To be fair, there are very few on here calling for Keates to be sacked at the moment. There are plenty, including me who are cheesed off with tactics and performances but that's a long way from wanting him to get the boot.
Old 18th September 2017, 12.13:04   #148-0 (permalink)
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And they have strikers galore and have still scored less than us
I had not realised that! Bloody hell if they've scored less than us, they really are struggling!

As frustrating as it is the way we're playing at the moment, we need to allow Keates to make mistakes and then enough time to learn from them. We didn't allow Morrell this luxury (gone after 1 bad season), Wilkin didn't last a year either, and Mills only lasted just over a year himself, the 'chop and change' approach just isn't working.

I'm as frustrated as anyone at the way we're playing and the blind spot for Carrington in midfield is increasingly baffling, but I honestly think we'll be better off if we allow Keates to make the mistakes and rectify them. History indicates that changing things now won't see us in a better position in 12 months time, so I'd like to see him given a sustained period of time to build a squad and slowly progress, rather than hit the panic button. If we were battling relegation it would be different of course.

I don't think all of the cash has been spent yet, weren't we still bidding for Cook until late in August? If so, you'd assume there's a healthy amount of money leftover. My guess is that Keates put all of his eggs in one basket and is now paying the price for missing out. If true, it's an error, but I'd like to see him have the chance to learn from this.

In terms of our 'hoof it and lose it' style of play, this is admittedly strange. I assumed with Darlington doing some coaching, we'd be better organised than this. Is CD advising Keates badly, or is Keates not taking his advice on board?
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Old 18th September 2017, 12.13:34   #149-0 (permalink)
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In answering the thread title if he isn't the man to take us forward who's is????!?!!!?

Exactly it's his team so he should be given until the end of season minimal, otherwise you get another manager taking over a club and players who he didn't sign and might not rate like Keates did after Mills, with little money to change it then we are back to square one.

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Old 18th September 2017, 12.13:36   #150-0 (permalink)
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Absolutely. You could sign Messi and still not score with a weak midfield. Mind you, if we did sign him they might play him in goal.
Carrington would keep him on the bench.
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