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Phils-an-alki 19th September 2017 08.54:59

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2072251]Can you remind us of the direction the club was heading under the last two owners?

I bet you don't answer that question.[/QUOTE]

It's totally irrelevant to the point he made though.

John Neals Dynasty 19th September 2017 09.03:56

[QUOTE=moldroadred;2072350]I did post on another thread that I was disappointed with Wedgbury, I was expecting a lot more. Can't fault the effort but as you say his passing is poor and he is not a player who can control a game by putting his foot on the ball, bulls and china shops come to mind :)[/QUOTE]



Agree with this Wedgebury couldn't pass wind
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Phils-an-alki 19th September 2017 09.06:17

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
Under WST ownership the football team has only moved in one direction- that's backwards.
Like it or not it's been a failure and let's be honest that's the reason football clubs exist, success on the pitch. Lots of our fans have now stopped judging them on this, why? It's been dreadful and the Mills fiasco was swiftly swept under the carpet with no one taking responsibility for the way he took the piss.

The free ride or honeymoon is over for the board and the last fours years have been one managerial disaster after another.
I'm not anti WST but for me it's just not working in respect of us having a successful football team and that's what we're all here for.

marathonplny 19th September 2017 09.09:11

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
Lets get behind Deano. This was never going to be a 'quick' fix.
The early season Mills team form was great - but then look what happened.

We have the back four signed up on 2 year deals and need to build on this. It may well mean another season in the 'league of hell' but everything comes to those that wait.
(I know that there are question on LB and RB - but we are not conceding.)

And we have all waited patiently.

I'm as frustrated as everyone watching games.

I sat through 90 mins on Saturday, I had to leave before extra time and missed the only real good point of the game - so imagine my thoughts on missing the goal.

Supporting our club has always lead to ups and downs. I believe we are heading in the right direction - yes we need a few additions - Deane knows this, he's been in the game long enough.

4k at every game shows that we are ALL committed.

COYR

Alan Attack 19th September 2017 09.10:24

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
[QUOTE=Phils-an-alki;2072355]It's totally irrelevant to the point he made though.[/QUOTE]

It has perfect relevance.

Under fan ownership we're going nowhere but under "private" ownership it was oblivion following the separation of club and ground.

Whilst interguinness wasn't scathing of the Trust like others are, his only alternative (tongue in cheek no doubt) was someone winning the lottery and gifting us money. In the meantime, the club needs to operate.

Criticise the Trust all you like (I'm not saying you are) but don't tell me we're in a worse position off the field.

The facts are Moss artificially inflated the wage bill/budget with "personal" loans and transferred land into his ownership as collateral. He got himself in such a state he also had to sell the stadium for a quick buck before getting out.

Loughboroughred 19th September 2017 09.22:34

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
Unbeaten in six! Sack the manager! This is unacceptable.

Paul Cox is renown for building teams that are hard to beat. They use dirty tactics and make it hard to break down.

Trust it Keates it will happen. He has been slightly unlucky not getting the striker he wanted.

OneLoveWrexham 19th September 2017 09.24:20

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
[QUOTE=Loughboroughred;2072366]Unbeaten in six! Sack the manager! This is unacceptable.

Paul Cox is renown for building teams that are hard to beat. They use dirty tactics and make it hard to break down.

Trust it Keates it will happen. He has been slightly unlucky not getting the striker he wanted.[/QUOTE]
How was he unlucky? Clearly you have the inside info then?

Phils-an-alki 19th September 2017 09.43:39

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2072359]It has perfect relevance.

Under fan ownership we're going nowhere but under "private" ownership it was oblivion following the separation of club and ground.

Whilst interguinness wasn't scathing of the Trust like others are, his only alternative (tongue in cheek no doubt) was someone winning the lottery and gifting us money. In the meantime, the club needs to operate.

Criticise the Trust all you like (I'm not saying you are) but don't tell me we're in a worse position off the field.

The facts are Moss artificially inflated the wage bill/budget with "personal" loans and transferred land into his ownership as collateral. He got himself in such a state he also had to sell the stadium for a quick buck before getting out.[/QUOTE]

Ok I see your point.

All we keep hearing is we're in a better position off field which we are undoubtedly are but on the field has been a disaster. Isnt that just as important, that's why the club exists?
When is that going to be counted in judging how we are progressing? The off field stability seems to papering over this all the time. For me it's wearing thin. There's a lack of accountability and a defeating silence around this.

Alan Attack 19th September 2017 09.58:11

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
[QUOTE=Phils-an-alki;2072374]Ok I see your point.

All we keep hearing is we're in a better position off field which we are undoubtedly are but on the field has been a disaster. Isnt that just as important, that's why the club exists?
When is that going to be counted in judging how we are progressing? The off field stability seems to papering over this all the time. For me it's wearing thin. There's a lack of accountability and a defeating silence around this.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say it's a total disaster. Just a normal disaster. Look at York who are in the league below. A total disaster would be relegation from this league which isn't beyond the realm of fantasy when similar sized clubs to us have dropped in recent years and haven't bounced back.

The accountability has always rested with the manager. Should those who appoint the manager be held to task? Without doubt but all the managers the Trust have appointed have been sound enough...on papers.

Perhaps Keates didn't have the required experience but I can point you to countless managers who never had detailed experience but have achieved great things.

Ooh aah Paskin 19th September 2017 09.58:15

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
I think 'disaster' is a bit much when describing the on the field fare.

Yes, it appears stifled and lacking ideas and you honestly can't see where a goal would come from.
BUT IMO we are only one or two tweaks away from a consistent performing side. A Creative midfielder is definitely needed. Whether we actually have that player already (Kelly, Leo) and they just need to find that spark (or be played in the best position) remains to be seen.

But we can't take too long trying to find out.


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