[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2071679]I often think we deserve to be where we are when we have threads calling for the manager's head when we're 2 points off the top spot and unbeaten in 6 games.

Thankfully, the majority have dismissed this thread but if you listen to Keates, he says it's not good enough so it's all eyes on him to improve it.

It's no surprising that we're a defensively savy team when our best players are our centre backs and central midfielder.[/QUOTE]

Not sure how wedgebury is being included as one of our better players. He is a big part of the problem. Slow, passing is generally poor or slow in seeing the opportunity to bring others into play. Often panics and hoists the ball high. He's yet to convince me that he's a good signing
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[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2071679]I often think we deserve to be where we are when we have threads calling for the manager's head when we're 2 points off the top spot and unbeaten in 6 games.

[B]Thankfully, the majority have dismissed this thread but if you listen to Keates, he says it's not good enough so it's all eyes on him to improve it.[/B]

It's no surprising that we're a defensively savy team when our best players are our centre backs and central midfielder.[/QUOTE]

Yet he keeps playing the same tactics that aren't working. He freely admits these tactics wont work without a target man yet persists.

We played our best football of the season when Carrington is suspended and Wright is in the midfield. Today Wright is on the bench and Carrington back in the midfield and look what happens.

Yes we are two points off of the top and unbeaten in six but in all reality the negative football is costing us points and now fans. I can't help but think with a more experienced manager with a plan B when its not working we would easily be on 24 - 26 points at the moment.

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[QUOTE=NottsRed;2071681]Yet he keeps playing the same tactics that aren't working. He freely admits these tactics wont work without a target man yet persists.

We played our best football of the season when Carrington is suspended and Wright is in the midfield. Today Wright is on the bench and Carrington back in the midfield and look what happens.

Yes we are two points off of the top and unbeaten in six but in all reality the negative football is costing us points and now fans. I can't help but think with a more experienced manager with a plan B when its not working we would easily be on 24 - 26 points at the moment.[/QUOTE]
Or near the bottom . Glass half full man me

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[QUOTE=GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo;2071677]We used to have a vast number of lads playing for the Welsh youth teams far more than most clubs, what's concerning is WPL academy lads are on the fringes or getting into those squads, particularly at the younger ages when wales has a north and South team. Gap Connahs Quay had a lad in the North Wales team who put 5 past a Man Utd team they played, he impressed so much they took him on. Okay, we may not have kept hold of him if he was playing for us, but what concerns me is were frequently missing out on many of the finest talents in North Wales to WPL clubs.[/QUOTE]

That's right. I think they have had as many as twenty kids on the last few years taken on at EFL/EPL clubs....we are indeed missing out on them. Not good.

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[QUOTE=standingroomonly2;2071680]Not sure how wedgebury is being included as one of our better players. He is a big part of the problem. Slow, passing is generally poor or slow in seeing the opportunity to bring others into play. Often panics and hoists the ball high. He's yet to convince me that he's a good signing
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What I have seen of him so far would have to agree, Wright seems by far our best midfielder and find it a bit worrying that he only got in the team due to Carrington being out and was dropped today. Keates has done a good job with the defence and we have a good foundation to build on but it is a concern that supporters can see things like the Wright situation and Kelly not being used in his best position of central midfield or just off the forwards and Keates can't.

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[QUOTE=GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo;2071677]We used to have a vast number of lads playing for the Welsh youth teams far more than most clubs, what's concerning is WPL academy lads are on the fringes or getting into those squads, particularly at the younger ages when wales has a north and South team. Gap Connahs Quay had a lad in the North Wales team who put 5 past a Man Utd team they played, he impressed so much they took him on. Okay, we may not have kept hold of him if he was playing for us, but what concerns me is were frequently missing out on many of the finest talents in North Wales to WPL clubs.[/QUOTE]

At least in the latest Welsh U17 squad named for matches this week we have Matty Sargent & Steffan Bulkeley with 5 from Everton and a few from Swansea & Cardiff.

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[QUOTE=Rob Edwards;2071685]At least in the latest Welsh U17 squad named for matches this week we have Matty Sargent & Steffan Bulkeley with 5 from Everton and a few from Swansea & Cardiff.[/QUOTE]

One of them pulled out though haven't they? We had far more in the squad when we got relegated even with Moss selling them on to much outcry, that continued under trust ownership and we had no outcry. The CoE has been neglected and we're certainly paying for it and some now, it's going to cost a small fortune getting it back to how it was which apparently os the plan now.

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[QUOTE=NottsRed;2071681]Yet he keeps playing the same tactics that aren't working. He freely admits these tactics wont work without a target man yet persists.

We played our best football of the season when Carrington is suspended and Wright is in the midfield. Today Wright is on the bench and Carrington back in the midfield and look what happens.

Yes we are two points off of the top and unbeaten in six but in all reality the negative football is costing us points and now fans. I can't help but think with a more experienced manager with a plan B when its not working we would easily be on 24 - 26 points at the moment.[/QUOTE]

Gary Mills was experienced. I don't recall his Plan B.

The last 4 years since we lost to Newport has been like Groundhog Day.

Keates and his coaching team have made us solid but they now need to focus on making us a bit more expansive. In a 4-4-2, the game often revolves around whose midfield can push the others back. Keates must be instructing his two to sit in as much as possible which leaves a big gap between to the forwards.

Equally, we're getting next to nothing from our wingers (Kelly, Rutherford and Mackreth). They're barely linking with their full back.

Wasn't Darlington lauded as this great signing? Surely the three of them know more about football than us lot so let's give them a chance i.e. more than 2 months.

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If its premature to get rid (and it is) Can anyone justify his 3 year contract? ... When Morrell ,wilkins and Mills never got that luxury