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Old 9th February 2018, 08.38:46   #31-0 (permalink)
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I remember this well of course. I was a PGCE student at Chester at the time(yes, I know!). A friend and I came down for both games - wonderful atmosphere at a packed Racecourse but utter desolation at the end. Then the thought of going all over again on the Saturday, but with the same result. God, it's hard work supporting Wrexham, but I have continued to do so even though returning to South Wales to live. I have even brought my son up as a Wrexham fan and by god does he get some strange looks when he says he supports Wrexham even though living and working in Swansea with its Premier league side! Keep the faith! This is our year!!
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Old 9th February 2018, 08.57:55   #32-0 (permalink)
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The goal difference issue was important at the time. Palace needed to win by a two goal margin to put us under pressure in the last game. Conceding the third goal was bad but the crushing blow was their fourth going in, as it suddenly meant we needed two points in our last game. I also remember a complete feeling of numbness lasting for several weeks after the fourth goal hit the net.
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I wasn't at the Palace game at the Racecourse, though I was at the Selhurst Park match. I was living and working in leafy Surrey at the time, newly married and working with a scutch of Palace fans. I refused to go with any of them to the match, despite numerous offers.
Instead, I took the new Bride to her first ever match (to this day she has only been twice....this one and Anderlecht).
Anyway we were in the then main stand surrounded by some older but still sh*thouse Palace fans. I had warned the Missus to keep a low profile and not advertise our allegiance, for the sake of our personal safety.
That worked for all of 2 minutes because Mel Sutton put us in front in double quick time. Cue my new wife jumping to her feet cheering and shouting........the response was obviously many glaring looks from those around us and talk of sheepshaggers etc etc.
Now the more astute and self aware among us would have gathered their composure and sat down quietly to absorb the warm feeling of being ahead. This philosophy did not sit well with the dear wife and she proceeded to give the abuse back with interest, despite me trying to get and keep her under control....something I have learnt is a forlorn task, 41 years later!!
Anyway, as we all know, the euphoria only lasted until the 18th minute when Hinshelwood equalised, and then turned to dismay after Swindlehurst got what proved to be the winner in the 35th minute.
We endured the rest of the game in virtual silence, apart from the odd outburst from the nearest and dearest whenever a hefty tackle went in on one our players, or a chance went begging.
My overriding feeling as we left the ground was that we would finish the job at Oxford 4 days later........ or even 8 days later when we would play Palace again at the Racecourse.............or 3 days after that against Mansfield. How wrong I was!
I went home to Wrexham for that final game, which turned out to be the unhappiest day of my life, up to that point, made worse in the knowledge that I would have to return to work in Surrey the next week and face those crowing, arrogant sh*thouse Palace fans again.
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The goal difference issue was important at the time. Palace needed to win by a two goal margin to put us under pressure in the last game. Conceding the third goal was bad but the crushing blow was their fourth going in, as it suddenly meant we needed two points in our last game. I also remember a complete feeling of numbness lasting for several weeks after the fourth goal hit the net.
I could be wrong, but my recollection is that I don't think we actually necessarily needed to win that last game.
Positions were decided on goal average in those days and I seem to recall that the 4th Palace goal was important insofar as it meant that we needed to score a goal and not lose our last game.
So a scoring draw would have been good enough.............as I say I could be wrong, after all this time.
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The goal difference issue was important at the time. Palace needed to win by a two goal margin to put us under pressure in the last game. Conceding the third goal was bad but the crushing blow was their fourth going in, as it suddenly meant we needed two points in our last game. I also remember a complete feeling of numbness lasting for several weeks after the fourth goal hit the net.
I could be wrong, but my recollection is that I don't think we actually necessarily needed to win that last game.
Positions were decided on goal average in those days and I seem to recall that the 4th Palace goal was important insofar as it meant that we needed to score a goal and not lose our last game.
So a scoring draw would have been good enough.............as I say I could be wrong, after all this time. Or it may have depended on other results going in our favour too.

Apologies for the double post.

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I could be wrong, but my recollection is that I don't think we actually necessarily needed to win that last game.
Positions were decided on goal average in those days and I seem to recall that the 4th Palace goal was important insofar as it meant that we needed to score a goal and not lose our last game.
So a scoring draw would have been good enough.............as I say I could be wrong, after all this time. Or it may have depended on other results going in our favour too.

Apologies for the double post.
I think you are right - we scored more goals than them but conceded more. Goal average was anyway close to goal difference and I think we also had a worse goal difference but it was close. Its history anyway and lets hope us old sods get a chance to celebrate again this year. Its time the sheeping giant woke up
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I could be wrong, but my recollection is that I don't think we actually necessarily needed to win that last game.
Positions were decided on goal average in those days and I seem to recall that the 4th Palace goal was important insofar as it meant that we needed to score a goal and not lose our last game.
So a scoring draw would have been good enough.............as I say I could be wrong, after all this time.
I believe that was the first season that goal difference was used in place of goal average, and that 4th goal did make all the difference between needing a draw and having to beat Mansfield.

Looking back now, we didn’t know it at the time, but we had this to look forward to the next season https://youtu.be/6pVE-mSSKb0
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It was a dreadful experience (relatively). I always felt that if we had got promotion that year we would have followed it up with promotion to the top flight the following season.
If we go up this year it will more than make up for it.
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With four or five matches to go Wrexham had looked firm favourites to go up but four of their last five games were against the three teams who did go up, and drawing at home to Brighton, losing twice to Palace and then losing to Mansfield put paid to their hopes.

A win for Palace at Wrexham by two goals would leave Palace ahead of Wrexham by one point AND with a superior goal difference, so Wrexham would have to win their last game.
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I believe that was the first season that goal difference was used in place of goal average, and that 4th goal did make all the difference between needing a draw and having to beat Mansfield.

Looking back now, we didn’t know it at the time, but we had this to look forward to the next season https://youtu.be/6pVE-mSSKb0
You are right. It was the 76/77 season that GD replaced GA.
This fact means that my recollections posted earlier were partly incorrect.

Looking back on the final table it finished (as far as us and Palace were concerned) as follows.


Pts F A Diff
3rd Palace 59 68 40 +28
4th Rotherham 59 69 44 +25
5th Wrexham 58 80 54 +26


So, if we had not conceded the 4th against Palace, a draw of any score would have been good enough against Mansfield.
We would have had identical goal difference to Palace, but had scored more. So that 4th Palace goal was indeed crucial.

Interestingly, Palace's final game that season was the win at the Racecourse, so didn't play on that last Saturday.

Just as a final comment concerning league rule changes. When we were relegated from the 2nd Div in 1981/82 it was the first season of 3pts for a win, and we finished 21st of 22, with 44 pts.
Had it remained as 2 pts for a win, we would have finished 19th, leapfrogging Bolton and Cardiff, and would have stayed up!!

19 Bolton Wanderers 42 13 7 22 39 61 46
20 Cardiff City 42 12 8 22 45 61 44
21 Wrexham 42 11 11 20 40 56 44
22 Orient 42 10 9 23 36 61 39
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