Advert  

Go Back   RedPassion.co.uk Wrexham FC Message Board > Wrexham



Wrexham Talk about things related to Wrexham Football Club !

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 11th February 2018, 16.36:03   #31-0 (permalink)
Club Captain

Not Set Click To Change

 
Racecourse Spot: ERS
Real Name: Kyle Jones





Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by draig arian View Post
If we can see the problem, why can't Keates?. I'm starting to believe Keates does'nt deserve the support he's getting.
Because it's not as easy as we like to make out, if it was we'd all be in the dugout there are other factors at play we wouldn't even consider.
Posted via mobile theme
Reply With Quote
Old 11th February 2018, 16.53:34   #32-0 (permalink)
Club Captain

Not Set Click To Change

 
Racecourse Spot:
Real Name: billy from bersham
Twitter: @





Default Re: Centre Midfield Problem

Quote:
Originally Posted by EnglishRed View Post
For what it's worth I agree with you. The fallout from yesterday's game (especially when contrasted with the over the top reaction to our recent wins) is miles over the top.

This is still a work in progress team. The defence was sorted first. Keates has worked hard to improve the attack. The midfield needs work but we haven't done thatv badly considering it's apparently so useless.Deverdics is a new player and hasnt played or trained much with us yet. It will improve. You can't just buy a load of new players and it be miraculously fixed. This isn't Champ man. ( Admittedly I wasn't there yesterday so I'm just commenting on generalities.)

As for Akil Wright. He s just come back from injury. He s 21 and hasn't played much first team men's football in his career. Id imagine he's just being managed properly rather than just being thrown back into the team with no regard for his development.
How many 21 year olds are playing week in week out in this division.If they are good enough they are old enough.
Reply With Quote
Old 11th February 2018, 17.06:36   #33-0 (permalink)
Squad Player

Not Set Click To Change

 
Racecourse Spot: anywhere
Real Name: Brian Williams
Twitter: @





Default Re: Centre Midfield Problem

Quote:
Originally Posted by pagl View Post
Quite surprisingly given DKs playing career and his part in our superb midfield when he was a player then our CM problems still continue and go unaddressed.

Yesterdays performance once again underlined this and just like a boxer that dominates the centre of the ring then teams that dominate the centre of midfield are usually the better team.

The amount of space given to the Halifax midfield allowed their number 10 to continually pass the ball around at ease and the equaliser was on the cards.
The manner of the equaliser again showed the lack of urgency in the team to get out of the defensive structure and close down the ball.

Wedgbury for all his attributes is basically a 3rd centre half and is very effective from a defensive perspective but this allows the opposition to dominate the CM and the area of the pitch around the centre circle.

If we are going to continue with a 442 formation then DK needs to make sure it is 442 and not 4132 which is how it seems at the moment.
Unfortunately Deverdics and Kelly were almost anonymous yesterday which compounded the problem even more and with Wright not even on the bench then we had no options.

DK has to address this problem with his last piece of player recruitment. IMO.
I am very much a Keates fan. For me he has built his side steadily with a view to being ready to go next season. The side has done even better by getting into the top three! However I agree with you Pagl. In the games I have seen we have often conceded the midfield. At Aldershot Rowe ran the game for them and we made no effort to close them down. This tactic, conceding midfield, has worked against some sides, but where they have some clever inter passers we get exposed like Aldershot and Macclesfield. For me we probably need a more advanced midfielder who can close down playmakers, whilst being creative when we get the ball. Saturday is a big game.
Reply With Quote
Old 11th February 2018, 17.16:17   #34-0 (permalink)
-

Not Set Click To Change

 
Racecourse Spot: none given
Real Name: none given
Twitter: @





Default Re: Centre Midfield Problem

The problem as far as I can see is we have lacked pace and quality outwide all season, wedgebury sits far too deep and has very limited passing ability. Kelly offers a bit of quality at set-pieces(this was completely devoid of his game yesterday), but doesnít quite have the ability to match in open play. Maybe Deverdics might offer more in the middle. Rutherford puts plenty of effort in, but is a bottom end conference winger at best. Amazed we are still persevering with him on the wing.

Iím not sure what people saw in wedgebury yesterday. He runs around a lot but Iím yet to see him boss the midfield for 90 minutes. Playing in a 4-4-2, I expect more quality on the ball from a midfielder. Russell Penn did wedgeburys task last season, reading the game better and avoiding the need to bomb round the field. He could also pass the ball forward. A vast contrast in my eyes.

Iím wondering how long it will be before Raven gets a chance infront of Kevin Roberts. He looked like a decent footballer when he came on against Tranmere.
Reply With Quote
Old 11th February 2018, 17.41:02   #35-0 (permalink)
Name A Stand After Me

Not Set Click To Change


(info 1 & 2)  
Racecourse Spot:
Real Name:
Twitter: @





Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LlayDragon View Post
Indeed.

It's been proven this season that our best central midfield combination is Wedgebury and Wright; we've all seen this.

Quite what Keates sees in Kelly I don't know; but then again I can't work out why he keeps playing left-footed central midfielders on the left-wing. It's even more baffling considering that Keates' was........a left-footed central midfielder.
Having Kelly there is no different than having Carrington. All he does is pop little passes off here and there and it just doesnít hurt the opposition. Both are clearly told to never get ahead of the ball and therefore we struggle to sustain pressure in attacks because we have nobody following up second balls near enough to the goal.
Reply With Quote
Old 11th February 2018, 17.46:07   #36-0 (permalink)
Part Time ITV4 Pundit
 
pagl's Avatar


(info 1 & 2)


(info)
 
Racecourse Spot: Techend
Real Name:
Twitter: @





Default Re: Centre Midfield Problem

Quote:
Originally Posted by Big A View Post
The problem as far as I can see is we have lacked pace and quality outwide all season, wedgebury sits far too deep and has very limited passing ability. Kelly offers a bit of quality at set-pieces(this was completely devoid of his game yesterday), but doesn’t quite have the ability to match in open play. Maybe Deverdics might offer more in the middle. Rutherford puts plenty of effort in, but is a bottom end conference winger at best. Amazed we are still persevering with him on the wing.

I’m not sure what people saw in wedgebury yesterday. He runs around a lot but I’m yet to see him boss the midfield for 90 minutes. Playing in a 4-4-2, I expect more quality on the ball from a midfielder. Russell Penn did wedgeburys task last season, reading the game better and avoiding the need to bomb round the field. He could also pass the ball forward. A vast contrast in my eyes.

I’m wondering how long it will be before Raven gets a chance infront of Kevin Roberts. He looked like a decent footballer when he came on against Tranmere.
Yes exactly the point I am making.

We play a 442 and they should push up on the opposition when we haven't got the ball but the shape is all over the place with Wedgbury dropping far too deep and Rutherford often caught out of position and leaving Roberts exposed.

When the 2 CBs are in possession like yesterday then the 2 FBs are too high up the pitch and the midfield goes all over the place.

442 should be 2 solid banks that work forwards/backwards as a unit and that needs a lot more work on the training ground as we will get exposed by the better teams.

Last edited by pagl; 11th February 2018 at 17.47:29..
Reply With Quote
Old 11th February 2018, 18.10:43   #37-0 (permalink)
Due a Testimonial

Not Set Click To Change

 
Racecourse Spot:
Real Name:
Twitter: @





Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pagl View Post
Yes exactly the point I am making.

We play a 442 and they should push up on the opposition when we haven't got the ball but the shape is all over the place with Wedgbury dropping far too deep and Rutherford often caught out of position and leaving Roberts exposed.

When the 2 CBs are in possession like yesterday then the 2 FBs are too high up the pitch and the midfield goes all over the place.

442 should be 2 solid banks that work forwards/backwards as a unit and that needs a lot more work on the training ground as we will get exposed by the better teams.
Lots of teams play with that holding midfielder now, in fact there was a conversation on the radio the other day about how Arsenal lack that type of player.
Posted via mobile theme
Reply With Quote
Old 11th February 2018, 19.14:15   #38-0 (permalink)
Part Time ITV4 Pundit
 
dixienormous's Avatar

 
Racecourse Spot: Upper Yale stand, town end
Real Name:
Twitter: @





Default Re: Centre Midfield Problem

Imo Kelly's legs have gone, thats why he plays a silly pass or a safe pass when he should be making a run into space to get into a position to play a decisive ball. You can see he's still technically one of our best players but unfortunately his footballing brain is quicker than his legs. I'd like to think Deveredics could do this for us now.
__________________
"We talk about it for twenty minutes and then we decide I was right." -Brian Clough
Reply With Quote
Old 11th February 2018, 19.18:42   #39-0 (permalink)
Cult Hero
 
Redted's Avatar

 
Racecourse Spot: G U Stand
Real Name:
Twitter: @





Default Re: Centre Midfield Problem

Quote:
Originally Posted by OneLoveWrexham View Post
Unfortunately a midfield 4 with Rutherford, Kelly and Deverdics is weak as piss, this has been a problem all season.
To bemoan Deverdicks after just a couple of games is a joke. Give the lad a chance!
__________________
"The night when it was confirmed that Wrexham could no longer preserve their league status was one of the saddest of my life" Mickey Thomas - Kickups, Hiccups, Lockups
Reply With Quote
Old 11th February 2018, 19.21:57   #40-0 (permalink)
Squad Player

Not Set Click To Change

 
Racecourse Spot: none given
Real Name: none given
Twitter: @





Default Re: Centre Midfield Problem

I agree with most being said on hear about the centre mid position. Now then, Deverdics signed for us in the hope of playering in that role because he disliked the left back spot. As for Wedgbury I like where he plays but not that close to the centre backs and young Wright to make the three-dimensional midfield.
And with three up top, let the other teams worry about our attack, because we have the three. Teams have us sussed our system out and if they were to take a lead they know we don't score many.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools



Quick Forum Links: Wrexham Forum - Live Match Threads - Offtopic Chat - General Footy - Other Sports - Entertainment - New Posts - Live Match Threads
RP Homepage Forums List



Content is user generated and is not moderated before posting.
All content is viewed and used by you at your own risk and RP does not warrant the accuracy or reliability of any of the information.
The views expressed are those of the individual contributors and not necessarily those of RP.
IP addresses of contributors together with dates and times of access are stored.


Complaint? Please use the report post tools or contact RP to bring a post, user or thread to the attention of a site 'admin' or 'mod'.
Our privacy policy can be found here.

Select Version: PC View | Mobile RP | Dark



All times are WMT (Wrexham Mean Time). For non-town viewers the time now is 17.04:02.
Powered by vBulletinģ & Wrex the Dragons fiery breath

RedPassion.co.uk : World Famous in Wrexham



SEO by vBSEO 3.3.0 ©2009, Crawlability, Inc.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13