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Old 1st March 2018, 13.34:58   #28-0 (permalink)
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Probably why he was / is loaned out. A sound footballing decision.




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Jordan Davies and Jonny Smith are the two most recent products I can recall who were virtually ignored by Gary Mills when he was here.

I think Keates is more determined to bring some through but this league is not the place blood youngsters in.
Nonsense. If they are good enough they play surely.

The way we flog youngster like cattle at a market annoys the hell out of me plus the fact that the club charges parents a small fortune for their child to play for the club is also blatantly wrong. How many prospects have we lost due to this I wonder?
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Nonsense. If they are good enough they play surely.

The way we flog youngster like cattle at a market annoys the hell out of me plus the fact that the club charges parents a small fortune for their child to play for the club is also blatantly wrong. How many prospects have we lost due to this I wonder?
We tend to have to send them out to WPL or NL North to get used to playing in physical leagues rather than against academy or youth sides.

I would think the parents heads are turned when a league or EPL club becomes interested because of the higher financial rewards.
Some parents stump up because they hope their child will benefit in the future.

Which clubs don't charge?
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A few seasons back I was chatting to one of our youth coaches before a game. In a nutshell he described our development policy as like fishing. The big clubs (Utd. City, L'pool Everton etc) are Japanese factory ships, permanently out there netting all of the fish. They then jettison the offloads but several years later, by which time they become disillusioned and drift out of the game. The smaller clubs are like a local 4-man trawler picking up the stuff the big boys don't want, but still trawling, and quite often they don't make the grade. Then you get the single fisherman who line-catches single fish. These are the independent scouts who see potential and recommend someone that the trawlers don't see as fitting into their net size. A good analogy I thought.
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A few seasons back I was chatting to one of our youth coaches before a game. In a nutshell he described our development policy as like fishing. The big clubs (Utd. City, L'pool Everton etc) are Japanese factory ships, permanently out there netting all of the fish. They then jettison the offloads but several years later, by which time they become disillusioned and drift out of the game. The smaller clubs are like a local 4-man trawler picking up the stuff the big boys don't want, but still trawling, and quite often they don't make the grade. Then you get the single fisherman who line-catches single fish. These are the independent scouts who see potential and recommend someone that the trawlers don't see as fitting into their net size. A good analogy I thought.
Something fishy about that.
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I bet Leo Smith can't remember the last time he kicked a ball in anger. However I'm not sure whose place in the squad he could take.
It would be less of an issue if there was a reserve team, or a first team squad big enough to allow them to be loaned out. Neither has happened for Leo Smith, and it took months for it to happen for Olly Marx. When they then do appear due to necessity they look well off the pace but how else are they going to look under the circumstances?
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I don’t rate Leo Smith or Olly Marx but our current set up having a small squad and no reserve side is not good for their development and has been a wasted season for both.

The main problem we’ve had since we’ve been in the conference is that under both Moss and the current ownership is that the most promising youngsters are sold before ever making a first team appearance.

This then leaves us with less gifted players who we hope will be late developers and who we have given more than enough opportunities to before eventually releasing. I.e Clowes, Thomassen,Walker, Rushton, Royle, etc.

Overall we have given quite a few youth players ample opportunity to make it but unfortunately very few are good enough and virtually all are playing in lower leagues than us.

You could even say the majority of youth players we’ve sold to big clubs in the last 10 years are now playing in lower leagues than us so with hindsight we did well to get money for them.
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Done was never Quality,he was awful
I think that was more a reflection of the team he was playing in. He had multiple opportunities to leave when progressing through the COE but stayed loyal, he was highly rated by many, including Denis Smith. Little shipped him out because he was looking for experienced players, yet ended up signing some terrible ‘players’.
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I don’t rate Leo Smith or Olly Marx but our current set up having a small squad and no reserve side is not good for their development and has been a wasted season for both.

The main problem we’ve had since we’ve been in the conference is that under both Moss and the current ownership is that the most promising youngsters are sold before ever making a first team appearance.

This then leaves us with less gifted players who we hope will be late developers and who we have given more than enough opportunities to before eventually releasing. I.e Clowes, Thomassen,Walker, Rushton, Royle, etc.

Overall we have given quite a few youth players ample opportunity to make it but unfortunately very few are good enough and virtually all are playing in lower leagues than us.

You could even say the majority of youth players we’ve sold to big clubs in the last 10 years are now playing in lower leagues than us so with hindsight we did well to get money for them.
It would be interesting to consider what most think are "ample opportunities". Walker and Tomassen probably got them, Royle, Clowes and Rushton certainly did not. And if we accept your suggestion that the vast majority of our young players aren't good enough it begs another question - why aren't they? There's been nobody willing to ask that awkward question. Players who ultimately play a significant number of games for Wrexham get their grounding somewhere, not all big clubs by any means, and someone ought to be looking at what those clubs are doing that we don't anymore.
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