Where did it all go wrong?

[the_holt_dragon]

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Originally Posted by the_holt_dragon

To me this is the key point and why I disagree with the blame being passed to Davies or the board for appointing him. Keates gave Davies a side capable of getting to the play offs, but not one capable of winning the play offs. The end result of not winning the play offs is the same as not making them.[/QUOTE
We'll never know as we didn't make the play offs and the final table tells us we are a mid table conference team.

We will never know, but it's hard for me to see how a team who under Keates couldn't score goals and couldn't beat the decent teams would have suddenly turned it around with the same players.

[davewilli]

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Originally Posted by aussiejackoinsaudi

We will never know, but it's hard for me to see how a team who under Keates couldn't score goals and couldn't beat the decent teams would have suddenly turned it around with the same players.

It's all water under the bridge, but that's football no one can accurately predict the outcome of a 6 team straight knock out. Therefore, had Wxm made the play offs they probably would have had the same chance as all the others. Yes we threw numerous points away from winning positions, but equally how can anyone fathom a team going long stretches unbeaten and losing only 6 games all season, losing 6 in quick succession. We can look back and probably choose a couple of games from a dozen that we deservedly or should have easily picked up the few points to have achieved this term. What needs to be analylised, barring the few points lost to poor refereeing decisions (as all teams get those) is how we didn't see those games out.

[techender]

To me this is the key point and why I disagree with the blame being passed to Davies or the board for appointing him. Keates gave Davies a side capable of getting to the play offs, but not one capable of winning the play offs. The end result of not winning the play offs is the same as not making them.

I see your point, but not strictly true. We could have done with the revenue the play off games would have generated even if we didn't win. If we could have secured second or third (...which looked likely at the time Keates jumped ship) the home game would have got a 7000+ gate. That's a nice chunk of unbudgeted money even if we lost it.

[sear]

who does the scouting if anyone does,how could they have scouted boden in scotland,when darlington came back i thought he would recommend one or two young players from the the league of wales who could be coached into decent players,especially now as we dont seem to have any youngsters i am not convinced with darlington and would have anew manager with his own assistant i think it is a lazy way to play football to just sit back and let the other team do the work,the kick off or is it a drop kick for the 25,always makes me smile,its a team that has no confidence that does such a thing perhaps they need a bit more age and experience in central midfield

[Chief]

Originally Posted by the_holt_dragon

What do you define as a decent manager? I think throwing money at a manager is madness untill someone shows me research that a teams performance improves proportional to the managers salary.

I think the money excuse is getting old. The left likes of Macc, Accrington and Shrewsbury are successful without heavy spending. Our Budget is competitive. I suspect Boden is one of the best paid players and that is us wasting our Budget.

Perhaps I should have been clearer. Money pays for a manager. So I expect, the more money we pay a manager, the better quality we should get. Of course it doesn't always follow, but none of us know, because the last 10/11 managers have either been novices or managers of much smaller clubs that jumped at the change to manage someone like us. That's my opinion which seems to prove the rule as we are still in this shite league with no light at the end of the tunnel. Perhaps, if we 'throw money at a manager' would be better than throwing money at players. A good manager could build a good team. We haven't tried that approach over the last 11 years - why not try it now?

[RED2309]

Originally Posted by standman

I am being told Keates has a list of six players he approached the board with for January and how much each was going to cost and was told he could not have any of them, that should explain Franks and Ainge. Deverdics I’m still unsure until I see him have a run in the central position that is claimed his best. But may explain why Keates jumped ship so easily so close to the end of the season as he knew he had an impossible task and it was never going to get any better.

Who told you that Foxy???

He had funds available but didn't make the best use of them instead he signed two hide and seek experts!

[the_holt_dragon]

Originally Posted by Chief

Perhaps I should have been clearer. Money pays for a manager. So I expect, the more money we pay a manager, the better quality we should get. Of course it doesn't always follow, but none of us know, because the last 10/11 managers have either been novices or managers of much smaller clubs that jumped at the change to manage someone like us. That's my opinion which seems to prove the rule as we are still in this shite league with no light at the end of the tunnel. Perhaps, if we 'throw money at a manager' would be better than throwing money at players. A good manager could build a good team. We haven't tried that approach over the last 11 years - why not try it now?

A manager asking for a bigger salary may have a better agent or inflated sense of his value, rather than more talent. The types of managers Wrexham have appointed don't seem out of line with others in the league.

[Chief]

Originally Posted by the_holt_dragon

A manager asking for a bigger salary may have a better agent or inflated sense of his value, rather than more talent. The types of managers Wrexham have appointed don't seem out of line with others in the league.

Yes, but the successful clubs have all had money. Probably some of our managers could have succeeded had they of had more money. Like I say, money definitely matters. When you have little, like us, then we have the option of spending it on a manger or spending it on players. We've tried the latter and it hasn't worked.

[the_holt_dragon]

Originally Posted by Chief

Yes, but the successful clubs have all had money. Probably some of our managers could have succeeded had they of had more money. Like I say, money definitely matters. When you have little, like us, then we have the option of spending it on a manger or spending it on players. We've tried the latter and it hasn't worked.

Not all successful clubs have had money. I think many exaggerate the wealth of some of our rivals. When I look at the people managing the top 7 teams in our league, I don't think the reason they are at their clubs rather than Wrexham is salary demands. As I have said the fact there are loads of people looking for jobs and little jobs available means people can't be too fussy.