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Old 4th May 2018, 07.15:38   #41-0 (permalink)
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Default Re: Transfer rumours, speculation and associated discussion - summer 2018

Yes we probably could get better than Wedgbury but there are players far worse than him that need improving on first.
Wedgbury is good enough IMO and would improve with better players around him, players who would enable him to concentrate more on his own game rather than having to do the work of others around him as he has had to do so this season.

If we are just looking to replace 4 or 5 players, then Kelly, Frank's, Deverdics, Boden and Ainge are all needed to be looked at before Wedgbury.

You could also add Mackreth, Jennings, Quigley(not ours, so needs replacing or signing anyway) Leo Smith and Marx to the list if you wanted a mass cull.

Wedgbury is the type of player we should be encouraging to shoot on sight if within 25 yards, something we haven't done enough of for several seasons, instead of the tippy tappy bollocks we play until we lose the ball on the edge of the opposition's penalty area.

So get working on that over the summer Sam
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Yes we probably could get better than Wedgbury but there are players far worse than him that need improving on first.
Wedgbury is good enough IMO and would improve with better players around him, players who would enable him to concentrate more on his own game rather than having to do the work of others around him as he has had to do so this season.

If we are just looking to replace 4 or 5 players, then Kelly, Frank's, Deverdics, Boden and Ainge are all needed to be looked at before Wedgbury.

You could also add Mackreth, Jennings, Quigley(not ours, so needs replacing or signing anyway) Leo Smith and Marx to the list if you wanted a mass cull.

Wedgbury is the type of player we should be encouraging to shoot on sight if within 25 yards, something we haven't done enough of for several seasons, instead of the tippy tappy bollocks we play until we lose the ball on the edge of the opposition's penalty area.

So get working on that over the summer Sam
Ainge was another loan signing wasn't he?
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The fan opinion wheel is turning. Wedgbury all of a sudden isn't good enough and we need to replace him with a passer. If fans get their way you'll see passers in there who get dominated when the chips are down and the fan opinion wheel will soon come around to "we're too tippy tappy and we need someone to break up play". In reality you need to complement Wedgbury's defensive play with the skills he lacks alongside him, not throw the baby out with the bath water just because waaaaaaa we came tenth and we want blood. We could have done that this year with a 433 but for some reason chose not to. The scourge of this club at the moment is the boom and bust; if we move on someone like Wedgbury it probably means the usual dozen new players and the same old wait for methods to take hold.
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Old 4th May 2018, 07.35:11   #44-0 (permalink)
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The fan opinion wheel is turning. Wedgbury all of a sudden isn't good enough and we need to replace him with a passer. If fans get their way you'll see passers in there who get dominated when the chips are down and the fan opinion wheel will soon come around to "we're too tippy tappy and we need someone to break up play". In reality you need to complement Wedgbury's defensive play with the skills he lacks alongside him, not throw the baby out with the bath water just because waaaaaaa we came tenth and we want blood. We could have done that this year with a 433 but for some reason chose not to. The scourge of this club at the moment is the boom and bust; if we move on someone like Wedgbury it probably means the usual dozen new players and the same old wait for methods to take hold.
I think with a couple of better midfielders around him Wedgebury is good enough option. His break up play is very good but his distribution in general is poor. Been said before that if we can get a midfield general like Ferguson in there to dictate play things will be so much better.
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Wedgbury is great.

Great defensive midfielder and breaker up of play.

His passings not great, but he is so good at the other aspects of the game we cant afford to lose him, but make sure he has two other midfielders alongside him that compliment him.
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Ainge was another loan signing wasn't he?
But his position still exists so still needs replacing.
Old 4th May 2018, 08.20:10   #47-0 (permalink)
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The fan opinion wheel is turning. Wedgbury all of a sudden isn't good enough and we need to replace him with a passer. If fans get their way you'll see passers in there who get dominated when the chips are down and the fan opinion wheel will soon come around to "we're too tippy tappy and we need someone to break up play". In reality you need to complement Wedgbury's defensive play with the skills he lacks alongside him, not throw the baby out with the bath water just because waaaaaaa we came tenth and we want blood. We could have done that this year with a 433 but for some reason chose not to. The scourge of this club at the moment is the boom and bust; if we move on someone like Wedgbury it probably means the usual dozen new players and the same old wait for methods to take hold.
To be fair, only a minority share this silly negative view about Wedgbury, let's not tar everyone with the same brush.

He's an important part of next year's jigsaw, I'd be amazed if he was allowed to leave.
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Wedge is great at what he is in the side to do. We cant have a midfield of tiki-taka David Silva style players, we need some creative yes but we need a Breaker, which Wedge does well. Get the right man or two (hopefully 2) with him he will be fine.
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Wedgbury is great.

Great defensive midfielder and breaker up of play.

His passings not great, but he is so good at the other aspects of the game we cant afford to lose him, but make sure he has two other midfielders alongside him that compliment him.
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I hope you are right Paul. I think he is one of the few who can claim to have given 100% for virtually the entire season. I accept that he has limitations but still feel he could do a job for us if combined with a more visionary midfield general. I can only say that if we replace the whole team with a better standard than him then I truly believe we will win the league.

BTW I understand that he commutes from Sheffield so perhaps he could be tempted nearer home ?
Without knowing what Sams preferred formation is then its not so cut and dried.

I was just trying to say that the CM needs a couple of players that are actually passers of the ball. If were going to set up 433 then Wedgbury would have a part to play behind the other 2 CMs and the width would have to be provided by attacking FBs and 2 wide players that could also track back.

If however its 442 then that limits us in terms of width and we saw that all season. With Wedgbury a 442 becomes a 4132 and we get dominated in the midfield. If Sam goes down this formation then the 3 other midfielders need to be far more mobile than we had this season.

Its a complicated situation to accommodate a defensive formation when we all want to see attacking football
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