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[Phils-an-alki]

Originally Posted by fugazi3973

Sorry, Phil, I missed the WST part of your post, I had referred to the 10 years on the pitch as mentioned by t1954.

No worries.

[louisleftboot]

Originally Posted by fugazi3973

Like I said above, it's gone from 10th to 10th. So no progress, but not backwards.

What other choice do we have though?

[pagl]

Originally Posted by fugazi3973

Sorry, Phil, I missed the WST part of your post, I had referred to the 10 years on the pitch as mentioned by t1954.

It simply back up the argument that we are basically maintaining the status quo across all the key areas including on the pitch.

Whereas as a fan owned club we have to grow to increase revenue, membership to provide a better team on the pitch. I find it amazing that some still don't understand this and are happy with the 'at least we still have a club' and 'we had to pay off the debts'.

[John Neals Dynasty]

Originally Posted by t1954

If his reference is to what we see on the pitch he will be right though. What progress have we made in 10 years in this division on the pitch, little or none. What would you call it?

I would call it bad management or bad luck
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[Ooh aah Paskin]

Unfortunately, there has been a decline in the performance on the pitch over recent seasons (since trust ownership) though it appeared the recovery was happening for most of last season.

However, it can't be as a result of just being the ownership model. For example, we have had managers that have simply not performed when it matters.

I still believe if we can get promoted, this club and ownership model will thrive in the EFL. But I can't see us getting promoted anytime soon, if ever.

[Phils-an-alki]

Originally Posted by Ooh aah Paskin

Unfortunately, there has been a decline in the performance on the pitch over recent seasons (since trust ownership) though it appeared the recovery was happening for most of last season.

However, it can't be as a result of just being the ownership model. For example, we have had managers that have simply not performed when it matters.

I still believe if we can get promoted, this club and ownership model will thrive in the EFL. But I can't see us getting promoted anytime soon, if ever.

It’s not thriving in this league, football wise, so why would it thrive in the FL?

Purely based on the fact the club gets more income?

Knowing our luck we’d get promoted then come straight back down the following season.

[John Neals Dynasty]

Originally Posted by Ooh aah Paskin

Unfortunately, there has been a decline in the performance on the pitch over recent seasons (since trust ownership) though it appeared the recovery was happening for most of last season.

However, it can't be as a result of just being the ownership model. For example, we have had managers that have simply not performed when it matters.

I still believe if we can get promoted, this club and ownership model will thrive in the EFL. But I can't see us getting promoted anytime soon, if ever.

Strongly disagree that this club would thrive if promoted, we still wouldn't have the money to compete under the present structure.... I do agree that promotion is extremely unlikely unless we have a Lincoln or Sutton cup run to finance it.... We haven't any players to sell for sell on clauses anymore, from now on in money is going to get tighter and tighter. It's called living hand to mouth like those on the minimum wage with bills rising year on year but wages stagnant.
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[Ooh aah Paskin]

Originally Posted by Phils-an-alki

It’s not thriving in this league, football wise, so why would it thrive in the FL?

Purely based on the fact the club gets more income?

Knowing our luck we’d get promoted then come straight back down the following season.

More income, the caps involved with the playing squad, our attendances that you would hope would increase.

We know that teams in this league are spending more than they would if they were governed by Financial Fair play.

Yes, its only opinion but I would argue that if financial fair play was in place in the conference we would theoretically be in a stronger position.

Taking advantage of that stronger position, however, is the hard part.

But yes, an income increase would help, especially if our costs remained similar. Obviously, we would need to improve the playing squad at a cost.

Maybe we wouldn't have to travel so much either?

I can't base it on anything but I think the fan ownership model can be good for us in the league.

[fugazi3973]

Originally Posted by Ooh aah Paskin

More income, the caps involved with the playing squad, our attendances that you would hope would increase.

We know that teams in this league are spending more than they would if they were governed by Financial Fair play.

Yes, its only opinion but I would argue that if financial fair play was in place in the conference we would theoretically be in a stronger position.

Taking advantage of that stronger position, however, is the hard part.

But yes, an income increase would help, especially if our costs remained similar. Obviously, we would need to improve the playing squad at a cost.

Maybe we wouldn't have to travel so much either?

I can't base it on anything but I think the fan ownership model can be good for us in the league.

This is exactly it for me. Lack of a sugar daddy(or having one) doesn't have as much of an impact in a system where it's based on the success of the club in generating football-related income rather than someone throwing money in from outside the game.