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[Quay Red]

Originally Posted by pagl

Anyway back to the point. This isnt a plan it is the vision/aims/goals - do the club have plans to achieve them?

Where are the measurements and how are we doing against them. Just asking

This is one particular area that I agree with you.
It's very well having visions / aims / goals and I'm sure that there is some kind of plan to achieve them but there needs to be an annual review to ensure that progress is being made.

[pagl]

Originally Posted by Willywill

I just find language that’s super trendy and presently fashionable, a right pain. My son who is 31, tells me that all this talk is chavvy!

WW, in simple terms think about having an aim or a goal to lose weight (not that I am saying you are overweight obviously)

Its all well and good having that as your aim or goal but HOW are you going to achieve it - well that is the plan. You then have to measure weight loss to see if you are achieving your aim.

Again simply put your aim is to lose 2 stone.

The plan is then to exercise every other day and run 2 miles, cut down to 2 meals a day, meals to consist of 5 fruit and veg and no potatoes or bread.

The measurement is then how much weight you have lost. If you don't lose as much weight as you expect then you may need to change your plan and increase the exercise or change the aim to only lose 1 stone.

This is hardly trendy or chavvy and for us as a fan owned club then its vital aims/goals have plans and then we measure if we are meeting these aims.

Take club membership as an example - what are the aims or goals of Developed Fan-Ownership? How many members do we want and by what date?
What is the plan to increase numbers - simply waiting for new members to join on-line isn't really a plan, the plan has to be pro-active.

[John Neals Dynasty]

Originally Posted by pagl

WW, in simple terms think about having an aim or a goal to lose weight (not that I am saying you are overweight obviously)

Its all well and good having that as your aim or goal but HOW are you going to achieve it - well that is the plan. You then have to measure weight loss to see if you are achieving your aim.

Again simply put your aim is to lose 2 stone.

The plan is then to exercise every other day and run 2 miles, cut down to 2 meals a day, meals to consist of 5 fruit and veg and no potatoes or bread.

The measurement is then how much weight you have lost. If you don't lose as much weight as you expect then you may need to change your plan and increase the exercise or change the aim to only lose 1 stone.

This is hardly trendy or chavvy and for us as a fan owned club then its vital aims/goals have plans and then we measure if we are meeting these aims.

Take club membership as an example - what are the aims or goals of Developed Fan-Ownership? How many members do we want and by what date?
What is the plan to increase numbers - simply waiting for new members to join on-line isn't really a plan, the plan has to be pro-active.

Good post again Pagl nail on the head, what you're implying is a weakness in the WST.. . We all remember the comical job they did with Jonesies bar at first a child could of done better, it's better now but still looks thrown together, the food kiosk a joke and the beer is s**t..

You sure you don't want to join the board?? Fresh blood, fresh forward thinking ideas you're the man, you might need a bit of Riot gear they won't like change.
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[sear]

with the current manager having no experience of management how do you measure his success levels, or more to the point what would the people who appointed him consider success or failure,

[Jaded]

Originally Posted by pagl

WW, in simple terms think about having an aim or a goal to lose weight (not that I am saying you are overweight obviously)

Its all well and good having that as your aim or goal but HOW are you going to achieve it - well that is the plan. You then have to measure weight loss to see if you are achieving your aim.

Again simply put your aim is to lose 2 stone.

The plan is then to exercise every other day and run 2 miles, cut down to 2 meals a day, meals to consist of 5 fruit and veg and no potatoes or bread.

The measurement is then how much weight you have lost. If you don't lose as much weight as you expect then you may need to change your plan and increase the exercise or change the aim to only lose 1 stone.

This is hardly trendy or chavvy and for us as a fan owned club then its vital aims/goals have plans and then we measure if we are meeting these aims.

Take club membership as an example - what are the aims or goals of Developed Fan-Ownership? How many members do we want and by what date?
What is the plan to increase numbers - simply waiting for new members to join on-line isn't really a plan, the plan has to be pro-active.

Willywill is talking about the expressions just saying and just asking as being trendy/chavvy.

[pagl]

Originally Posted by John Neals Dynasty

Good post again Pagl nail on the head, what you're implying is a weakness in the WST.. . We all remember the comical job they did with Jonesies bar at first a child could of done better, it's better now but still looks thrown together, the food kiosk a joke and the beer is s**t..

You sure you don't want to join the board?? Fresh blood, fresh forward thinking ideas you're the man, you might need a bit of Riot gear they won't like change.
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I am sure that the WST have enough skills already and I am sure they don't want any outsiders coming in and upsetting their individual apple carts.

As a start point change needs to come from within and if there are specific 'gaps' in the resources/skills needed then the WST need to reach out for those specifically.

Its all well and good saying put your name down for election but it needs to be for something more than selling raffle tickets and if its strategic then candidates need to be able to see what the aims/goals and plans are before they commit.

[pagl]

Originally Posted by Jaded

Willywill is talking about the expressions just saying and just asking as being trendy/chavvy.

Well I am certainly not trendy and as for chavvy wow just ask anyone that knows me.

Just saying LOL.

[Todd Sweeney]

Originally Posted by pagl

I am sure that the WST have enough skills already and I am sure they don't want any outsiders coming in and upsetting their individual apple carts.
As a start point change needs to come from within and if there are specific 'gaps' in the resources/skills needed then the WST need to reach out for those specifically.

Its all well and good saying put your name down for election but it needs to be for something more than selling raffle tickets and if its strategic then candidates need to be able to see what the aims/goals and plans are before they commit.

Why do you say that? It is not true. I know for a fact that they would welcome new applicants for election to the board, and those who wish to volunteer to action ideas that the fanbase/owners have.

In my view this forum is probably the wrong place to make your points/grievances, because you are essentially shouting into the ether, and it will just add to your frustrations when nothing results from your posts. If you want to see your points addressed you, and/or any other people who feel like you, should be addressing them to the board of the WST in my opinion. Even better, if you feel like you could make an input and have the time to do it, you should be standing for election.

[pagl]

Originally Posted by Todd Sweeney

Why do you say that? It is not true. I know for a fact that they would welcome new applicants for election to the board, and those who wish to volunteer to action ideas that the fanbase/owners have.

In my view this forum is probably the wrong place to make your points/grievances, because you are essentially shouting into the ether, and it will just add to your frustrations when nothing results from your posts. If you want to see your points addressed you, and/or any other people who feel like you, should be addressing them to the board of the WST in my opinion. Even better, if you feel like you could make an input and have the time to do it, you should be standing for election.

Maybe JND and myself should be PM'ing on this but it is an opinions board after all and I think this is the forum to discuss things as I am not airing any grievances at all. JND asked a question and I replied with my opinion.

I am not frustrated as it is what it is - my points are about what some perceive as actual plans and that the WST have all strategic matters in hand and they are actually measuring and/or refining plans according to their aims & goals.

There is probably no more a staunch WST supporter than you but can you really tell me that they have got the strategic elements under control and progressing (other than clearing the debts, living within our means...…).
Why do YOU think that not many people put their names forward as you keep suggesting they will be welcome, welcome in what capacity though.

I could reel off many instances of ideas, suggestions etc. that have been forwarded and I will still nail my hat on my statement they have lots of people with the skills already in place. My opinion is that they are poorly executed.

Do I need to re-iterate membership which has grown by what 100 and for me it seems the plan is to on-board new members when they apply and there is no plan to actively contact lapsed members and bring them back into the fold.
If there is then I haven't seen it happening. Maybe you know differently and can advise how this is working.

This isn't WST slating its just me saying that I think there is a lot of politics that goes on with all of this and some people would prefer to know what is needed to be done and then get on with doing it.

As I said maybe you have more insider knowledge that you could share an advise on the difficulties that they face and why something like Jonseys bar was not done so that it replaced the 2 separate kiosks in the Tech End. Was it money - if so then was there an appeal for materials/skills to actually build a new kiosk under the stand. Likewise a tented place at the Mold road/Tech end, the space is there but it requires people to follow it through and it seems to me that there are people that want to be on committees but then just don't have the time to complete things, which is understandable as we all have the pull of other forces in our lives. Lets just be open about what the real issues are.