Some facts - not false news.

[crazywelsh]

Originally Posted by Birdy

Alot of people think the Trust has taken us as far as it can. Membership numbers, budget cuts and no real growth indicates this maybe the case.

Also a bit of a p1ss take saying impatient fans when we have been the longest serving conference team.

Finally another fact is that we have had the lowest league position in the club's history under trust ownership and IMO the worst football in our history too. Most people go to the match to watch football not get excited by numbers on club's accounts.

What nobody seems to realise is that we have virtually moved nowhere on the field.

Also 2004 doesn’t really back anything those debts were made on purpose in the Hamilton days, but did lead to where we are.

If this appointment of Ricketts fails we will see support fall, this just having a club isn’t enough we need too actually make progress on the field.

[John Neals Dynasty]

I hope next season we aren't going to want to be out of all cups early on so we can concentrate on a midtable league position.
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[Pieman]

It was mentioned on another thread congratulating tranmere rovers that they haven't sold their best players. If Andy cook was here we would of sold him I've no doubt about that but tranmere refused to sell and now look at them and look at us. If someone comes in for pearson for example we will sell and the board will come out with the we couldn't stand in his way bla bla bla stuff. Until we tell clubs where to go when they come snooping around we will not progress further

[billybersham]

Originally Posted by Pieman

It was mentioned on another thread congratulating tranmere rovers that they haven't sold their best players. If Andy cook was here we would of sold him I've no doubt about that but tranmere refused to sell and now look at them and look at us. If someone comes in for pearson for example we will sell and the board will come out with the we couldn't stand in his way bla bla bla stuff. Until we tell clubs where to go when they come snooping around we will not progress further

Very true,and also the previous year sending your best two players out on loan to save the money for next year,but we did move up 3 spaces in the league!!

[borntobered]

Originally Posted by GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo

Nice bit of PR, no mention of football fortune, selling Obeng early on, percentage of next sale clauses etc.

Too many are getting complacent on here metioing we've made profits. The die hard support are forever getting older with very few youngsters willing to take over the voluntary work. One bad season, combining low attandances, players on big wages and we're in big trouble, although those running the club won't be at fault for such a scenario.

We've wasted millions on journeymen while using the very tired excuse of league funding for the academy once promoted. How is it Wimbledon have been able to have a very successful academy without such funding seeing half a dozen players at least in the first team regularly playing for them now, while also producing a very long list of players who've moved to bigger clubs in 15 years? Crucially they got promoted out of this league to by having a long term plan, investing in local youngsters to build a team, vary rarely can you build one in a summer or two.

How about Tamworth who under Morell grew the academy which is now starting to bare fruit? No funding again their.
The simple fact is the club have become too obsessed with promotion at all costs, no forward planning, millions wasted on players who don't give a toss about the club, this seasons capitulation a brilliant demonstration.

Honestly, what is our plan for the next 5-10 years beyond promotion and making a profit, it's another reason so many are put off by joining the WST, no transparency on the major matters of the club such as the academy. Tamworth had a presentation when Morrell took over outlining what they'd like to achieve over 5 years regarding club structure etc, I'm struggling to think of such a time it's happened at Wrexham.

Tamworth who following the sacking of Morrell have been relegated to northern or southern premier? Long term planning bearing fruit?

[crazywelsh]

Originally Posted by Pieman

It was mentioned on another thread congratulating tranmere rovers that they haven't sold their best players. If Andy cook was here we would of sold him I've no doubt about that but tranmere refused to sell and now look at them and look at us. If someone comes in for pearson for example we will sell and the board will come out with the we couldn't stand in his way bla bla bla stuff. Until we tell clubs where to go when they come snooping around we will not progress further

We were only handing out one year deals so I doubt we would even get a decent fee.

The truth is we are now years into trust ownership and it’s been the worst footballing display any of us have ever seen.

Ricketts has his work cut out I’ll be there to support it but I’m paying game by game this season, if it goes pear shaped I’m not going through it again like this season.

[GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo]

Originally Posted by borntobered

Tamworth who following the sacking of Morrell have been relegated to northern or southern premier? Long term planning bearing fruit?

The academy is bearing fruit and sometimes plans don't go fully to plan. Also no mention of the plan bearing fruit was made.

We were meant to be promoted years ago, which then meant additional money for the academy, yet we're still waiting, so something needs to change as it ain't working.

Still don't know what the clubs plan is beyond promotion and making a profit.

Also are you any the wiser on the goals of the club as whole now Sam Ricketts has formally introduced himself, beyond promotion? It was the usual PR nonsense, all well and good saying you'll play youngsters if they're deemed good enough, but how are they going to ensure that and turn things around when it comes to scouting? At the moment we snap up the better talents from WPL academy ( 2 the other week from Cefn Druids) then cry wolf when Premiership teams do the same.

[RemovedUser]

Originally Posted by GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo

The academy is bearing fruit and sometimes plans don't go fully to plan. Also no mention of the plan bearing fruit was made.

Are you for real? You did mention bearing fruit (it’s not baring by the way)....”How about Tamworth who under Morell grew the academy which is now starting to bare fruit?”

Originally Posted by GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo

We were meant to be promoted years ago, which then meant additional money for the academy, yet we're still waiting, so something needs to change as it ain't working.

Still don't know what the clubs plan is beyond promotion and making a profit.

Also are you any the wiser on the goals of the club as whole now Sam Ricketts has formally introduced himself, beyond promotion? It was the usual PR nonsense, all well and good saying you'll play youngsters if they're deemed good enough, but how are they going to ensure that and turn things around when it comes to scouting? At the moment we snap up the better talents from WPL academy ( 2 the other week from Cefn Druids) then cry wolf when Premiership teams do the same.

What plan would you have for the Club beyond promotion and being sustainable (profitable)?

Your first paragraph seems to justify plans not going to plan, and not necessarily bearing fruit, as you claim is the case for Tamworth.
Your second paragraph talks dismissively about us still waiting for our plans to come to fruition, ......so what is it that you are advocating?

A plan that is laudible but doesn’t work....or....errr....a plan that we all want but also hasn’t worked? Weird!

Do you also think it is sensible to invest a lot of money in an Academy (of the magnitude that we used to when a league Club) only to enable a Club from higher up the the pyramid to come along and just take them, without compensation, as has been the case, and continues to be so?

Each of the above are rhetorical questions, as I am aware from recent encounters that you are incapable of rational discussion.

[GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo]

Originally Posted by Redrobinman

Are you for real? You did mention bearing fruit (it’s not baring by the way)....”How about Tamworth who under Morell grew the academy which is now starting to bare fruit?”



What plan would you have for the Club beyond promotion and being sustainable (profitable)?

Your first paragraph seems to justify plans not going to plan, and not necessarily bearing fruit, as you claim is the case for Tamworth.
Your second paragraph talks dismissively about us still waiting for our plans to come to fruition, ......so what is it that you are advocating?

A plan that is laudible but doesn’t work....or....errr....a plan that we all want but also hasn’t worked? Weird!

Do you also think it is sensible to invest a lot of money in an Academy (of the magnitude that we used to when a league Club) only to enable a Club from higher up the the pyramid to come along and just take them, without compensation, as has been the case, and continues to be so?

Each of the above are rhetorical questions, as I am aware from recent encounters that you are incapable of rational discussion.

Yes, as in the academy strictly speaking, not other aspects of the club, pretty simply btw.

What is the clubs plan other than promotion and profit, Tamworth set theirs out for all areas for 5 years regarding the club. I've yet to see any plan, I was told a few years back one was being drawn up, hasn't happened for whatever reason. When Ricketts ( who was very good I thought) introduced himself, again no real mention of a long term plan other than the usual answers. He must have said something to impress, so why can't it be shared with us, so we're all pulling in the same direction and know what to expect? You aren't going to please everyone, but it would help lessen the pressure.

Yes, Southampton did this, had people saying other clubs would poach young players and it didn't really happen. These lads played for the first team and made them a small fortune. In fact Southampton have a goal of producing a team comprising entirely of academy products, currently it's two players a season minimum in to the first team, anything less if failure. This will increase as the years go by until they become self-sufficient if it ever happens, why can't we aim to do similar? Look after these lads, give them the opportunities and most will stay. Also Wimbledon have managed just fine doing exactly the same, it's a poor excuse from the club, who use the exact same practices themselves.

Football is a team game, the best sides have had a spine of players who've played together for years, know each other inside out on and off the pitch. It's very rare to create a successful side with personnel changing every season, it happens at Wrexham and still we await promotion.