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Old 13th May 2018, 19.23:34   #28-0 (permalink)
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So Wimbledon have no league funding for their academy?

All EFL clubs can apply for funding can't they? If they can't they are still £700k or more better off than us so £200k or so is not going to hurt them like it would when your in the conference trying to compete against sugar daddies who can spend whatever they like regardless.

Have you noted where Tamworth will be plying their football next year?
When non league, Tranmere still have an academy for 16+ and yes, that remains to be seen. The point on Tamworth was when Morell was appointed a presentation for the next 5 years was made, they stuck by that rightly or wrongly, after formally introducing Ricketts are you any the wiser on what the club hope to achieve in the next 5 years other than making a profit and promotion? So we're all singing from the same hymn sheet and help police expectations a little more.

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Old 13th May 2018, 19.34:52   #29-0 (permalink)
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Nice bit of PR, no mention of football fortune, selling Obeng early on, percentage of next sale clauses etc.

Stupid comment.. so what your saying is we should of stopped Obeng moving to a premier League club ?

Too many are getting complacent on here metioing we've made profits. The die hard support are forever getting older with very few youngsters willing to take over the voluntary work. One bad season, combining low attandances, players on big wages and we're in big trouble, although those running the club won't be at fault for such a scenario.

Same for every club.. if the team under performs and the attendances drop.. i fail to see for a second how that maybe the boards fault... surely if we played crap and attendances dropped.. thats down to the manager and the team

We've wasted millions on journeymen while using the very tired excuse of league funding for the academy once promoted. How is it Wimbledon have been able to have a very successful academy without such funding seeing half a dozen players at least in the first team regularly playing for them now, while also producing a very long list of players who've moved to bigger clubs in 15 years? Crucially they got promoted out of this league to by having a long term plan, investing in local youngsters to build a team, vary rarely can you build one in a summer or two.

wasting Millions ? again Manager chooses the players to purchase.. all the board do is set the budget which is within out financial means... so again not the boards fault in anyway


How about Tamworth who under Morell grew the academy which is now starting to bare fruit? No funding again their.
The simple fact is the club have become too obsessed with promotion at all costs, no forward planning, millions wasted on players who don't give a toss about the club, this seasons capitulation a brilliant demonstration.

i beg to differ.. promotion at all costs? wasnt it last year or season before we sold a player to Higher league team (was it danny ward?) and the money from initial sale of danny went straight back into the youth team setup ? and non into the first team. i think only bonus from playing for Liverpool/Wales went into the first team. so again your wrong.. as if promotion at all costs we wouldnt be using sale fees on youth setup.. and we would spend more than we have if it was promotion at any cost (hence your point is wrong)


Honestly, what is our plan for the next 5-10 years beyond promotion and making a profit, it's another reason so many are put off by joining the WST, no transparency on the major matters of the club such as the academy. Tamworth had a presentation when Morrell took over outlining what they'd like to achieve over 5 years regarding club structure etc, I'm struggling to think of such a time it's happened at Wrexham.
I Dont think the trust need to tell us everything they do. just because we are a fan owned club doesnt mean we should be told and have a say in everything that happens within the club... for me im happy in the knowledge that the people running the club ARE Wrexham fans.. and only have the clubs best interest at heart... and only want us to go forward. sure sometimes they may make a wrong desicion... we all do.. we are human after all.. but again im happy the people running our club wont put it at risk.. and only want whats best for us.... so i trust them to run the club
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I Dont think the trust need to tell us everything they do. just because we are a fan owned club doesnt mean we should be told and have a say in everything that happens within the club... for me im happy in the knowledge that the people running the club ARE Wrexham fans.. and only have the clubs best interest at heart... and only want us to go forward. sure sometimes they may make a wrong desicion... we all do.. we are human after all.. but again im happy the people running our club wont put it at risk.. and only want whats best for us.... so i trust them to run the club
Much of your response bares no relation to what I said. On the point of millions wasted, the board can stipulate that the academy must be used.

As for Danny Ward, it was years ago now, another who played 1 game for the first team and that was it, play more and the players worth more. This is a massive problem, you'd expect at least a few to step up and become regulars in the entire time in this league Robbie Evan's and... Im struggling to name anyone else. Some of us thought the academy should have had that appearance fee.

In all honesty the academy has become a farce, an after thought, it gets no real investment, only enough to keep it going and it's really showing. While we spend thousands on players travelling from far flung places who'll be off to a club closer to home should the opportunity arise, as things are it isn't working.

Even Chester another team with no league funding ever has a better academy, which is painful to admit, but hey, they went actively seeking sponsors such as Swettenham Chemists. A suggestion that's been made on here before now and likely to the board.

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Nice bit of PR, no mention of football fortune, selling Obeng early on, percentage of next sale clauses etc.

Too many are getting complacent on here metioing we've made profits. The die hard support are forever getting older with very few youngsters willing to take over the voluntary work. One bad season, combining low attandances, players on big wages and we're in big trouble, although those running the club won't be at fault for such a scenario.

We've wasted millions on journeymen while using the very tired excuse of league funding for the academy once promoted. How is it Wimbledon have been able to have a very successful academy without such funding seeing half a dozen players at least in the first team regularly playing for them now, while also producing a very long list of players who've moved to bigger clubs in 15 years? Crucially they got promoted out of this league to by having a long term plan, investing in local youngsters to build a team, vary rarely can you build one in a summer or two.

How about Tamworth who under Morell grew the academy which is now starting to bare fruit? No funding again their.
The simple fact is the club have become too obsessed with promotion at all costs, no forward planning, millions wasted on players who don't give a toss about the club, this seasons capitulation a brilliant demonstration.

Honestly, what is our plan for the next 5-10 years beyond promotion and making a profit, it's another reason so many are put off by joining the WST, no transparency on the major matters of the club such as the academy. Tamworth had a presentation when Morrell took over outlining what they'd like to achieve over 5 years regarding club structure etc, I'm struggling to think of such a time it's happened at Wrexham.
Here here. Some common sense on RP.

Incase people forget we are a football club, people come to watch that not to view a bloody balance sheet.
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We'll be waiting a good while for another youth player to come through. Our 16's this year are very average apparently ....although the 15's are very good. 3 years to see one of them hopefully !
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Not taking sides in this dispute but interested in your vision of the Wrexham AFC future. Should we ditch the Academy/Youth teams , just like the Reserve team , because they are unproductive and too costly?
Although it's nice to have reserve and youth teams etc without EFL funding it's not cost effective.

The problem in this league you have teams like Salford who are not spending in a substainable way. We have therefore to put every penny into the first team budget just to have a chance to compete. In an ideal world this league would be run in a proper manner and the 60% rules on wages is needed.

If this rule of substainable business was in place I am sure we would have the right long term infustruture in place.

It's the league rules that dictate our stance.

You can't run a club with your heart you have to run it with your head. Otherwise like Chester you will end up in the doo doo anyway.
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When non league, Tranmere still have an academy for 16+ and yes, that remains to be seen. The point on Tamworth was when Morell was appointed a presentation for the next 5 years was made, they stuck by that rightly or wrongly, after formally introducing Ricketts are you any the wiser on what the club hope to achieve in the next 5 years other than making a profit and promotion? So we're all singing from the same hymn sheet and help police expectations a little more.
Well it remains to be seen whether Tamworth continue on this route, although by sacking Morrell they probably have already realised their plan was not working. They like ourselves don't have a owner with pots of money. Out of interest how are their accounts looking? I assume you have an idea?

As for Ricketts his plan is the same as we had last year try to get the best players we can for the budget we have. Once promoted we can then look at getting further infustruture in place. Ie youth and reserves.

Why do we need a 5 year plan?? Tamworths is now in pieces after the first 2 years. Like ours with losing our manager you can't plan too far ahead in this league. Unless you have a bottomless pot of money that is where you can afford to lose millions over several years. As I am sure you are aware a trust cannot run in deficit.
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Much of your response bares no relation to what I said. On the point of millions wasted, the board can stipulate that the academy must be used.

As for Danny Ward, it was years ago now, another who played 1 game for the first team and that was it, play more and the players worth more. This is a massive problem, you'd expect at least a few to step up and become regulars in the entire time in this league Robbie Evan's and... Im struggling to name anyone else. Some of us thought the academy should have had that appearance fee.

In all honesty the academy has become a farce, an after thought, it gets no real investment, only enough to keep it going and it's really showing. While we spend thousands on players travelling from far flung places who'll be off to a club closer to home should the opportunity arise, as things are it isn't working.

Even Chester another team with no league funding ever has a better academy, which is painful to admit, but hey, they went actively seeking sponsors such as Swettenham Chemists. A suggestion that's been made on here before now and likely to the board.
Chester have a better academy yet are in serious financial bother and have been relegated.

I know which ship I would rather be on.....and no it's not theirs.
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Here here. Some common sense on RP.

Incase people forget we are a football club, people come to watch that not to view a bloody balance sheet.
Yes but a trust run club cannot run with a deficit.

What a lot of people don't look at is a successful team on the pitch usually follows a successful balance sheet. Their is always a time lag with these things...2,3-5 years generally. So yes the pressures now on!
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