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Old 8th June 2018, 09.17:06   #11-0 (permalink)
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I think for a fan owned club to flourish they need to be in the football league.
The fact they limit wages to a % of a clubs turnover makes it a more level playing field.
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Old 8th June 2018, 09.18:41   #12-0 (permalink)
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I think for a fan owned club to flourish they need to be in the football league.
The fact they limit wages to a % of a clubs turnover makes it a more level playing field.
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Old 8th June 2018, 09.19:07   #13-0 (permalink)
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Jesus. I think we all get the point your are constantly making by starting yet another thread on the subject. Sadly, yet again, you are conveniently missing the point that many are making.

Nobody is really asking or expecting or maybe even wants the type of sugar daddy that you keep banging on about, but for crying out loud, we couldn't half do with some financial help here. There might just be some middle ground but sadly I fear we will sink a bit lower before that sets in with some.

Maybe next time how about a thread about hybrid models that have worked and are working. The debate (at least we are having one I suppose) at the moment is far too black and white for my liking.
Tell you what then, why don't you create a threat about these hybrid models you're seemingly fond of, explaining why they work so well, and how they would be suitable for us, if you can?

If I seem to be repeating myself, it just might have something to do with the fact that valid points made are "constantly" being forgotten by other posters with a different - and negative - agenda, creating the need to remind some folk that the grass in the "private ownership" or Sugar Daddy" field isn't ALWAYS as green as they make it out to be.

Truth be told, those who understand the fans ownership model become just as frustrated by the need to repeat themselves to those who fail to grasp why it WILL work for Wrexham in the absence of any other sensible solution.
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Old 8th June 2018, 09.27:17   #14-0 (permalink)
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Tell you what then, why don't you create a threat about these hybrid models you're seemingly fond of, explaining why they work so well, and how they would be suitable for us, if you can?

If I seem to be repeating myself, it just might have something to do with the fact that valid points made are "constantly" being forgotten by other posters with a different - and negative - agenda, creating the need to remind some folk that the grass in the "private ownership" or Sugar Daddy" field isn't ALWAYS as green as they make it out to be.

Truth be told, those who understand the fans ownership model become just as frustrated by the need to repeat themselves to those who fail to grasp why it WILL work for Wrexham in the absence of any other sensible solution.
Thats a helpful attitude.

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Old 8th June 2018, 09.29:20   #15-0 (permalink)
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Tell you what then, why don't you create a threat about these hybrid models you're seemingly fond of, explaining why they work so well, and how they would be suitable for us, if you can?

If I seem to be repeating myself, it just might have something to do with the fact that valid points made are "constantly" being forgotten by other posters with a different - and negative - agenda, creating the need to remind some folk that the grass in the "private ownership" or Sugar Daddy" field isn't ALWAYS as green as they make it out to be.

Truth be told, those who understand the fans ownership model become just as frustrated by the need to repeat themselves to those who fail to grasp why it WILL work for Wrexham in the absence of any other sensible solution.
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Old 8th June 2018, 09.32:20   #16-0 (permalink)
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Tell you what then, why don't you create a threat about these hybrid models you're seemingly fond of, explaining why they work so well, and how they would be suitable for us, if you can?

If I seem to be repeating myself, it just might have something to do with the fact that valid points made are "constantly" being forgotten by other posters with a different - and negative - agenda, creating the need to remind some folk that the grass in the "private ownership" or Sugar Daddy" field isn't ALWAYS as green as they make it out to be.

Truth be told, those who understand the fans ownership model become just as frustrated by the need to repeat themselves to those who fail to grasp why it WILL work for Wrexham in the absence of any other sensible solution.


But that's your opinion which you are entitled to, those who you are sniping at who have a different opinion have as much right to say it, because their opinion is different to your's does not make them negative anymore than your opinion is being negative.... It's just opinions, just like everyone has an arse everyone has an opinion.... Neither of the opposite opinions has been proven to be right yet
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Old 8th June 2018, 09.33:20   #17-0 (permalink)
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It all depends how the sugar daddies have funded their plaything.

If this is with repayable loans then there is no security for the club as if the sugar daddy gets fed up then the club simply don't have the means to repay and would go to the wall.

On the other hand a sugar daddy putting money into a club that could not repay risks losing it all anyway. Its like a bank loan. If you owe the bank £10k then you have the risk if you owe the bank £100k then they have the risk
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Old 8th June 2018, 09.35:25   #18-0 (permalink)
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Tell you what then, why don't you create a threat about these hybrid models you're seemingly fond of, explaining why they work so well, and how they would be suitable for us, if you can?

If I seem to be repeating myself, it just might have something to do with the fact that valid points made are "constantly" being forgotten by other posters with a different - and negative - agenda, creating the need to remind some folk that the grass in the "private ownership" or Sugar Daddy" field isn't ALWAYS as green as they make it out to be.

Truth be told, those who understand the fans ownership model become just as frustrated by the need to repeat themselves to those who fail to grasp why it WILL work for Wrexham in the absence of any other sensible solution.
Out of interest, why do you feel the need to repeat yourself? I think there are probably a handful of people here who don’t believe in fans’ ownership. I’m unconvinced that they’re likely to change their mind after all these years. Is it necessary that they become converts? Or is it ok for them to just carry on supporting the club, spending their money, and in some cases sponsoring us, even if their opinions are different from ours?
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Old 8th June 2018, 09.37:05   #19-0 (permalink)
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Tell you what then, why don't you create a threat about these hybrid models you're seemingly fond of, explaining why they work so well, and how they would be suitable for us, if you can?

If I seem to be repeating myself, it just might have something to do with the fact that valid points made are "constantly" being forgotten by other posters with a different - and negative - agenda, creating the need to remind some folk that the grass in the "private ownership" or Sugar Daddy" field isn't ALWAYS as green as they make it out to be.

Truth be told, those who understand the fans ownership model become just as frustrated by the need to repeat themselves to those who fail to grasp why it WILL work for Wrexham in the absence of any other sensible solution.
There you go again.

The only agenda fans have as far as I can see is for the club to be successful. We all want the same thing, it's just that some of us think we might need some outside help in getting there, I don't know why folk are so against that.

The propaganda on view at the moment really isn't sexy.
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Old 8th June 2018, 10.14:07   #20-0 (permalink)
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Out of interest, why do you feel the need to repeat yourself? I think there are probably a handful of people here who don’t believe in fans’ ownership. I’m unconvinced that they’re likely to change their mind after all these years. Is it necessary that they become converts? Or is it ok for them to just carry on supporting the club, spending their money, and in some cases sponsoring us, even if their opinions are different from ours?
As yours seems to be a genuine question (as opposed to some who have an anal fetish, judging from past replies - you know who you are) the repetition or re-wording is an attempt to prevent the neutrals from being swayed by the utter bollox that some spout about "needing vast sums to get out of this league without which we're doomed!"

FWIW, I gave up two years income in an attempt to prevent this club from falling by the wayside in 2001 and 2002 being a co-founder and first chair of the Trust. My allegiance to the club has been 100% and will remain so to my last breath. I have fewer years remaining than some of those who seek an instant solution to our NL predicament, and it would be very easy to jump on the Sugar Daddy bandwagon if I felt that it would bring a worthwhile and lasting reward for Wrexham AFC and its fans. Instead, I prefer a less risky route than sacrificing security to sup with the type of devil we endured prior to the Trust taking over.

I accept that there will be many who because of their ages have no experience of Wrexham as a real force. With us being one of the top 92 clubs in England and Wales for so many years and recalling so many games where our performances were nearer to the top of that pyramid than the bottom drives me to seek the right solution for the club and its fans. If only every one of you could experience those joys!


Still, those who criticise the Trust's evolution for the club - rising safely, even if slowly - will eventually steer the club in the direction that they feel is right - even if it isn't - unless there's somebody to speak out against them. You may think of my stance as old-fashioned. I have no real concern about that - other than not having seen a viable alternative put forward. Plenty of criticisms offered, but nothing that works in our Club's circumstances.

Old fashioned values will die out as those who hold them die off. You may like what replaces them even less!
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