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henry8 8th June 2018 18.52:04

Re: Sugar Daddies mean security for the Club and its fans. Correct?
 
[QUOTE=wil;2151264]Are there any clubs that are successful with private owners ? Just asking as it is coming across time and again that with a fan owned club there is no chance of success ( which is B.S. in my opinion), or if a club has a benefactor owner, then they will certainly go pop. Which is equally B.S.[/QUOTE]

Depends really WHO is the benefactor and WHO is the owner.
Some are genuine fans who want to help the club they love. Some are people with an ego who want to play 'manager 2018' for a while until they either get bored or run out of cash. Then you have the Vaughans and Hamiltons :(

Cenotaff 8th June 2018 19.09:48

Re: Sugar Daddies mean security for the Club and its fans. Correct?
 
[QUOTE=Quay Red;2151435]There's a lot of fans who would applaud your persistence in promoting the model we have, me included. unfortunately for a growing minority, patience is in short supply.
I agree with you that we can succeed but feel that the club need to be a bit more open with the way they hope to achieve success.
I accept that the reserves have to be sacrificed in order to maximise funding of the first team rather than run a squad of 24 players.
I am concerned that the youth programme appears to be suffering and would like some answers to the various questions regarding coaching staff and openings for the young players to make their mark with the first team.
I'm more than satisfied that the trust and Club boards have made great strides off the field but as pointed out there is more that we can do to encourage new members to join and get involved.
It's now down to the manager and his recruitment to drive us further forward and upwards. Build a winning team and the support will increase as will the finances to further enhance the team.[/QUOTE]

Solid post this. 100%.

Vorporix 8th June 2018 20.32:56

Re: Sugar Daddies mean security for the Club and its fans. Correct?
 
Sugar daddies for Wrexham = rocking horse shit + unicorns.

Take your pick.

I would love to be proved wrong though :)

REDJB 8th June 2018 20.35:29

Re: Sugar Daddies mean security for the Club and its fans. Correct?
 
The % of failing fans owned clubs is higher than the alternative. Telford,Stockport,Chester..... That's a fair few. Successes include Pompey (although they've quickly sacked it off) and Wycombe. Cant think of any others that have been promoted.

Foxy 8th June 2018 20.43:11

Re: Sugar Daddies mean security for the Club and its fans. Correct?
 
[QUOTE=REDJB;2151515]The % of failing fans owned clubs is higher than the alternative. Telford,Stockport,Chester..... That's a fair few. Successes include Pompey (although they've quickly sacked it off) and Wycombe. Cant think of any others that have been promoted.[/QUOTE]

Extraordinary statement. Are you allowed to say that in the politically correct fans ownership Disneyland ?

TomWFC 8th June 2018 21.00:15

Re: Sugar Daddies mean security for the Club and its fans. Correct?
 
[QUOTE=Foxy;2151522]Extraordinary statement. Are you allowed to say that in the politically correct fans ownership Disneyland ?[/QUOTE]

Everybody understands your position and your viewpoints, but I’m afraid it’s post like this that make you seem bitter and petulant. Posts such as these just perpertuate the idea of you being over-zealously against fan ownership and people always against you.

Surely something like “I currently disagree with our current model and don’t see eye to eye with those that are running things currently” would suffice?

Instead you insist with condescending, sarcastic, patronising and border-line vitriolic posts that consistently have an under-handed dig at the current ownership model and it’s limitations.

We get you’re not on board, that’s ok, the tone of your posts is often uneccessary.

Let it be, let it be...

Jaded 8th June 2018 21.00:17

Re: Sugar Daddies mean security for the Club and its fans. Correct?
 
[QUOTE=REDJB;2151515]The % of failing fans owned clubs is higher than the alternative. Telford,Stockport,Chester..... That's a fair few. Successes include Pompey (although they've quickly sacked it off) and Wycombe. Cant think of any others that have been promoted.[/QUOTE]

Ever heard of AFC Wimbledon?

Foxy 8th June 2018 21.16:24

Re: Sugar Daddies mean security for the Club and its fans. Correct?
 
[QUOTE=TomWFC;2151532]Everybody understands your position and your viewpoints, but Iím afraid itís post like this that make you seem bitter and petulant. Posts such as these just perpertuate the idea of you being over-zealously against fan ownership and people always against you.

Surely something like ďI currently disagree with our current model and donít see eye to eye with those that are running things currentlyĒ would suffice?

Instead you insist with condescending, sarcastic, patronising and border-line vitriolic posts that consistently have an under-handed dig at the current ownership model and itís limitations.

We get youíre not on board, thatís ok, the tone of your posts is often uneccessary.

Let it be, let it be...[/QUOTE]

Fair point, and you are right. But call your side too - they are worse by a million miles. I donít mind disagreeing and discussing with yourself, English Red, Old Paddock Man, Todd Sweeny etc. But there are a host of vitriolic and aggressive people on your side who have been consistently beyond the pale and who ultimately damage the club.

TomWFC 8th June 2018 21.21:44

Re: Sugar Daddies mean security for the Club and its fans. Correct?
 
[QUOTE=Foxy;2151536]Fair point, and you are right. But call your side too - they are worse by a million miles. I don’t mind disagreeing and discussing with yourself, English Red, Old Paddock Man, Todd Sweeny etc. But there are a host of vitriolic and aggressive people on your side who have been consistently beyond the pale and who ultimately damage the club.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn’t neccessarily refer to it as being my ‘side’. I don’t have a side really, I’d like to think I can be objective and open-minded enough to give credit where it’s due, but also to give criticism where it’s deserved. Despite my support for the current model, I believe there is plenty to improve on, including some things you’ve highlighted - albeit I don’t agree with how you get it across.

You’re entitled to your opinion and have every right to express it, I just reckon if you alter the way you get it across it would carry more weight.

Of course this applies to those who over-zealously defend the current ownership model and won’t constructively criticise when it’s clearly neccessary.

Vorporix 8th June 2018 21.21:49

Re: Sugar Daddies mean security for the Club and its fans. Correct?
 
[QUOTE=Foxy;2151536][B]Fair point, and you are right[/B]. But call your side too - they are worse by a million miles. I don’t mind disagreeing and discussing with yourself, English Red, Old Paddock Man, Todd Sweeny etc. But there are a host of vitriolic and aggressive people on your side who have been consistently beyond the pale and who ultimately damage the club.[/QUOTE]

Should have ended your post there :)


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