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Old 11th September 2018, 14.32:56   #141-0 (permalink)
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Having made a great start and still when things don't go well immediately there is a tendency to attack the players... And management.

You can see it on the RP live match thread v Braintree.
To be fair I have just re-read the live match thread and I didn't really see any extreme player bashing, just comments on what was happening. Maguire Drew got a few comments about drifting in and out of games, Fondop and Pyke got some ire regarding their silly bookings, and rightly so.

Other than that it wasn't that bad. IMO.

Certainly If a player was reading it I wouldn't think they'd be that bothered.

I will agree some live match threads can get toxic though.
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Old 11th September 2018, 15.03:32   #142-0 (permalink)
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Nothing wrong with Switzerland at all

I totally get that.

It's just opinion and there's no right or wrong... We all have our own ways..

Am certainly not taking the piss.

Why would I do that ?

I love our club, just like we all do.

As explained previously I feel that our fans have had to deal with a lot of sh*t in the last decade and its sometimes become the culture to direct that pain and frustration at the players.

That has been understandable at times.

But here we are 2nd in the table.

Having made a great start and still when things don't go well immediately there is a tendency to attack the players... And management.

You can see it on the RP live match thread v Braintree.

People like Sir Alex, Jock Stein and Bill Shankly were all geniuses because they brought all the fans on side. It wasn't just about the players on the pitch or their formations. It was the whole culture around the club. We also had it in 1978 with John Neal and then Arfon.

We can all build it again. Together.

If any other fans on Red Passion values this thread I will continue, and ensure the word Champions remains on RP all season, but if its not welcome and there are a greater number of objectors to it, than I will also hear that and I will stop posting on it tomorrow morning.

Having tried my best.

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Good post, again. I can't fathom those posters who STILL show their immaturity through impatience when the league table is evidence that we are better than those teams we've beaten so far, or they are worse than us, depending on the depth of your pint pot.

People, we've won a few games - and we could lose lots more, but at this stage of the season, we're doing better than all the clubs beneath us. Enjoy it for heaven's sake! It hasn't been like this in most of the last 10 years in the NL, nor was it like this during most of our seasons in the FL!

Welsh Kiwi is right to say that those three legends brought their clubs together at every level, and what forces they became! Patience is a virtue, and as Sam Ricketts grows, so the team grows with him. They'll draw and lose games that fans expect to win - just as the three legends teams did too, but he's our best chance of rising out of this league. He seems quietly confident - and he's also realistic. How many of the frothers can be like him?

Don't attack him if we don't win every game - don't write players off when they are not skillful enough (yet) to be playing in the Prem. Don't bawl your anger and frustration when they slip up... they're humans, and as someone else said, are curious enough to read about themselves on RP.

Welsh Kiwi recognises that - and says he'll be influenced in the same way by your responses to his thread - if he feels he's not valued, he'll give up. Just as several players over recent seasons obviously decided not to bother with us - maybe because of something you said here. Welsh Kiwi has loyalty to his club - OUR club. We probably all do to a greater or lesser degree - we've been following them for years, some for much longer than others. None of our players are from Wrexham... SR isn't from Wrexham... they are at matches for different reasons than the fans - even if they show pride at what they achieve.

Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot by abusing them. How many of our keyboard warriors would say what they write to the faces of the team members who we want to be our heroes this season?

Keep the thread going... and help build the Champions' culture.
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Old 11th September 2018, 15.26:52   #143-0 (permalink)
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Good post, again. I can't fathom those posters who STILL show their immaturity through impatience when the league table is evidence that we are better than those teams we've beaten so far, or they are worse than us, depending on the depth of your pint pot.

People, we've won a few games - and we could lose lots more, but at this stage of the season, we're doing better than all the clubs beneath us. Enjoy it for heaven's sake! It hasn't been like this in most of the last 10 years in the NL, nor was it like this during most of our seasons in the FL!

Welsh Kiwi is right to say that those three legends brought their clubs together at every level, and what forces they became! Patience is a virtue, and as Sam Ricketts grows, so the team grows with him. They'll draw and lose games that fans expect to win - just as the three legends teams did too, but he's our best chance of rising out of this league. He seems quietly confident - and he's also realistic. How many of the frothers can be like him?

Don't attack him if we don't win every game - don't write players off when they are not skillful enough (yet) to be playing in the Prem. Don't bawl your anger and frustration when they slip up... they're humans, and as someone else said, are curious enough to read about themselves on RP.

Welsh Kiwi recognises that - and says he'll be influenced in the same way by your responses to his thread - if he feels he's not valued, he'll give up. Just as several players over recent seasons obviously decided not to bother with us - maybe because of something you said here. Welsh Kiwi has loyalty to his club - OUR club. We probably all do to a greater or lesser degree - we've been following them for years, some for much longer than others. None of our players are from Wrexham... SR isn't from Wrexham... they are at matches for different reasons than the fans - even if they show pride at what they achieve.

Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot by abusing them. How many of our keyboard warriors would say what they write to the faces of the team members who we want to be our heroes this season?

Keep the thread going... and help build the Champions' culture.
I have to say whilst I agree with some of your points I have to disagree with some too.

The league table doesn't lie, that's true. But it can also be argued that we haven't played anyone of reasonable strength and won. Halifax and Fylde are up the top but we drew. The rest we beat are down the bottom after ten games for a reason. Therefore yes, enjoy the position we are in but it needs to be tempered with realism... this month will certainly show us if we have what it takes to compete. Lets all take stock after the next few games.

Its within everyone's right s to criticise players or the team if they feel performances aren't satisfactory. Lets be honest, if you can't take any flack then maybe such a public game such as Football isn't for you. If any player is mad enough to read this forum then they should expect to see honest and candid views from fans covering the positive to the negative. And to be honest, if a player is willing to give up because of a few comments on a fans message board then perhaps they aren't the players we need. I understand negativity can be demoralising but it can also be a spur to prove people wrong. That is the sort of player we need, those that recognise their faults and work to better them or at least try. Giving up is the easy option.

As for saying anything to the Player's faces. I was disappointed that Fondop and Pyke picked up unnecessary and to be honest, petulant bookings against Braintree. And I would be happy to tell them, in a calm and rational manner, exactly why I was disappointed.

I agree that constant, unnecessary witch hunting of players is uncalled for but at the same time, sometimes negative feedback is vital to make changes and improve. I'm sure Sam rips into those he feels have let him or the team down but then moves on.

Anyway, just my opinion. I am enjoying the thread but we need to accept everyone has differing views, that doesn't make them wrong.
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Old 11th September 2018, 17.31:17   #144-0 (permalink)
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To be honest I'm not sure in what the point of this thread is, i assume it's someone living in a fantasy world with all the star wars bollocks reading it was like a fairy tale drug induced/pissed or taking the proverbial, like Star wars I gave up after the first few posts as its made no sense.

But hey if some enjoy reading his ramblings then no harm done.
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Old 11th September 2018, 18.33:04   #145-0 (permalink)
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To be honest I'm not sure in what the point of this thread is, i assume it's someone living in a fantasy world with all the star wars bollocks reading it was like a fairy tale drug induced/pissed or taking the proverbial, like Star wars I gave up after the first few posts as its made no sense.

But hey if some enjoy reading his ramblings then no harm done.
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Old 11th September 2018, 18.43:18   #146-0 (permalink)
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Thanks for your support TOWIU

It is appreciated..

Star Wars is just a bit of fun. We all need a bit of fun sometimes or life just gets too dull and boring...

When people talk of the dark days of our recent history I think of it like the darkside and how the battle for the galaxy of the Racecourse and the club was protected by the wrexham fans wielding lightsabers...

Many other clubs have been broken by the darkiside (those with ulterior motives) and are still being broken because their fans didn't do enough to save them. Wrexham fans did everything and more... That's something to feel massively proud of. I am massively grateful to each and every one of them.

We all want Wrexham AFC to go up as champions. We might not all believe it yet but believing it is a much bigger advantage than not believing it. As 'often' if you really think something is going to happen it will. Both in positive and negative circumstances.

Before we scored v Braintree I noticed a poster calling one of Wrexham players Brainless... Yeah, so what , whats the big deal. He should be able to take it. Football's a mans game. It should spur him, he should want to play better, because calling him brainless is really a decent incentive for him to do better and he will never read it anyway so it doesn't matter Etc..

Honestly. In my opinion ? And I understand others might not agree... I really don't think that culture to attack the players is going to help make our players into Champions. RP in recent years has seemed to have become a place to overly attack players and managers..

Somethings are justified but the balance has become unbalanced. This thread is hoping to readdress that balance. Thats the point of it JND and to get the word Champions to feel familiar again. Because 40 years is a long time.

The thing with Red Passion is it has become a much more powerful influence than many people realise. Its become the voice of the fans of Wrexham AFC. By the sheer number of posters alone..Thats why the media read RP to see whats going on...

On Ferguson yes they (the board) wanted him out before Mark Robbins scored that goal, but the fans did'nt want him out when he was lifting the Champions League or Premier League titles... The Glazier situation is a different conversation.

And yes this isn't about Liverpool or United or Celtic, this is about Wrexham AFC. The greatest club in the land in my eyes and also in thousands of other fans eyes around the world.

I really think we have one of the most passionate fan bases in the world. And that is a massive advantage to our club ...

At some stage we have to stop the culture of attacking from within our club and start to attack the opposition with the same energy...

Then we will be the club we were when we last became Champions.

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Star wars is not bollocks ffs
Of course its not - its real and there are real Jedis out there able to move objects with the force and fighting evil with light sabres.

Whilst I really enjoy the films and the franchise its not going to get us promoted ha ha.
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Old 11th September 2018, 19.28:59   #148-0 (permalink)
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Someone has too much time on there hands!
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Old 11th September 2018, 20.08:13   #149-0 (permalink)
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Mate. There's no darkside at Wrexham.

Have you seen the size of our floodlights?
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Old 11th September 2018, 20.27:19   #150-0 (permalink)
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People don't understand the thread, or like the content yet keep coming back in to read it. Sense it makes no.
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