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Old 22nd October 2018, 13.26:37   #37-0 (permalink)
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If he's getting verbally abused and pushed over because of his relation to being on the board then it is somewhat of a club/forum matter for us to discuss too. If the person who has allegedly done it doesn't like what's being written then defend yourself or tough titty. If you decide to allegedly assault somebody then can you really claim the right to anonymity or thread closures? What makes matters worse is that we're having a good season.
Old 22nd October 2018, 14.21:11   #38-0 (permalink)
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Instead of a circus like this (and it's a circus constructed so that your view is obscured) JM should have simply informed the police and let them take it through its due course. If there's a case to answer then let them and the CPS decide not open it to ill-informed debate and conjecture.
He has stated that he didn't want to take it further but wanted it made public because he doesn't fell he should have to put up with this behavior because is an unpaid director of a fans owned club/

Whats more I fully agree withnhim.
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Old 22nd October 2018, 15.24:29   #39-0 (permalink)
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He has stated that he didn't want to take it further but wanted it made public because he doesn't fell he should have to put up with this behavior because is an unpaid director of a fans owned club/

Whats more I fully agree withnhim.
I can't understand or agree with that cause of action. I don't feel it correct to make it public without a fair trial which the laws of the country dictate everyone is entitled to, if the correct channels (legal system) find the accused guilty of assault then he will receive the correct legal punishment and the club/WST can decide a suitable club punishment in response. A ban from games and /or expulsion from WST membership for example.

What we have at the moment is a trial and execution by Social Media where by the majority have decided guilt on a very small amount of facts. What happens for example if someone mistakenly gave JM the incorrect name of this man and we have trailed the wrong person?

The legal system exists for a reason, it should be left to do its job and if it finds the accused guilty then I would 100% agree with suitable punishment but it does not sit comfortably with me that JM can choose no further action yet still everyone can decide guilt. You can't have guilt without a fair trial IMO
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I can't understand or agree with that cause of action. I don't feel it correct to make it public without a fair trial which the laws of the country dictate everyone is entitled to, if the correct channels (legal system) find the accused guilty of assault then he will receive the correct legal punishment and the club/WST can decide a suitable club punishment in response. A ban from games and /or expulsion from WST membership for example.

What we have at the moment is a trial and execution by Social Media where by the majority have decided guilt on a very small amount of facts. What happens for example if someone mistakenly gave JM the incorrect name of this man and we have trailed the wrong person?

The legal system exists for a reason, it should be left to do its job and if it finds the accused guilty then I would 100% agree with suitable punishment but it does not sit comfortably with me that JM can choose no further action yet still everyone can decide guilt. You can't have guilt without a fair trial IMO
He pushed someone in a bar. This is hardly going to end up in court.
You can be guilty of being a drunken idiot without a judge telling you so.

Edit - rereading this may sound like I'm belittling what happened when in fact it is ridiculous someone gets abuse for helping us out.

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I can't understand or agree with that cause of action. I don't feel it correct to make it public without a fair trial which the laws of the country dictate everyone is entitled to, if the correct channels (legal system) find the accused guilty of assault then he will receive the correct legal punishment and the club/WST can decide a suitable club punishment in response. A ban from games and /or expulsion from WST membership for example.

What we have at the moment is a trial and execution by Social Media where by the majority have decided guilt on a very small amount of facts. What happens for example if someone mistakenly gave JM the incorrect name of this man and we have trailed the wrong person?

The legal system exists for a reason, it should be left to do its job and if it finds the accused guilty then I would 100% agree with suitable punishment but it does not sit comfortably with me that JM can choose no further action yet still everyone can decide guilt. You can't have guilt without a fair trial IMO
Trial and execution is a bit strong.

He has been named if this is incorrect there are legal channels he can go down but I think thats unlikely to happen don't you?
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Old 22nd October 2018, 18.20:10   #43-0 (permalink)
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Didn't John Mills and his wife a few yrs back get spit on and abused by some fans when getting in his car after a game? Never seen the outcome on that and if memory serves me well he drove outside of the car park without due care and attention nearly hitting fans walking from the game.

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yes .... bloody good job I managed to pull my lad backwards out of the way of his wheel spinning Hyundai ..... but according to some that didn't happen either!

Ok I thought I read that happened. Yes JM does a lot of free work for our club and should be respected for that, but I done see why JM felt the need to post whatever happened in a bar on Twitter and everyone is jumping on his side based on one side his side of what happened. As others have said it's trial by media. It appears Mr Mills has done a Donald Trump on it. As for the comment about the person alleged to have done this coming out and defending himself on here.... Do we know if he's on RP?
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He has stated that he didn't want to take it further but wanted it made public because he doesn't fell he should have to put up with this behavior because is an unpaid director of a fans owned club/

Whats more I fully agree withnhim.
I think you are missing my point. If you want the accusers name then proceed correctly through the legal system as the alleged story would class as assault. If you don’t want to take it further then say the incident happened without naming him. This way you highlight what volunteers are subjected to but aren’t “taking the incident further “. I can’t understand and agree with a social media trial where guilt is 100% assumes by Wrexham fans with such a small amount of facts
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