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Old 1st December 2018, 17.37:28   #41-0 (permalink)
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Surely he should have communicated to the fans that there would be no signings in Jan then as he has always maintained he would improve the team if better players became available. He must have had budget to do this.

Given the Ward money then I find it strange.
Can you imagine the sh*tstorm? You only have to look at the who'le saga and trying to keep things underwraps, using those ' in the know' it seems to do the dirty work.

Sometimes best saying nothing, he couldn't exactly do a Mourinho and publicly critises with his stature in the game.

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Can you imagine the sh*tstorm? You only have to look at the who'le saga and trying to keep things underwraps, using those ' in the know' it seems to do the dirty work.

Sometimes best saying nothing, he couldn't exactly do a Mourinho and publicly critises with his stature in the game.
The fans deserve the truth though. Shitstorm so be it if its the truth.
You cant get in trouble for telling the truth
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The fans deserve the truth though. Shitstorm so be it if its the truth.
You cant get in trouble for telling the truth
I know, the boards lapdogs get sent after you on here though.

We deserve to know what exactly has happened in due course.
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Dave Challinor was a name mentioned this afternoon. Done ok with Fylde.
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As a manager, if you donít get results, you are sacked (whatever your contract says) and conversely, if you shine, more affluent clubs will attempt to prise you away. These behaviours are not good, but itís the way that the game has gone. Sam Ricketts was never going to stay here for long (18 months), itís just unfortunate that he hadnít achieved promotion with us first.
This is how todayís managers operate, and is the way of the world.
Agree. Itís not so much what he has done, but how he has seemingly gone about it.
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Dave Challinor was a name mentioned this afternoon. Done ok with Fylde.
I imagine they have a much bigger budget than us so hes probably slightly under achieving in my view. He wouldn't make my shortlist and is likely to cost a lot of money when there are better unemployed managers
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Big Den was in the Directors Box at our last home game. If he has any ambition to be a Manager, no greater place than a town that loves footy and a club thatís close to his heart. Jon Askey would be less of a risk as he knows the terrain. I always thought that Fergy left this club when Big Brian got the job instead. Talk around the town was that the board would not promise Fergy the money he wanted to transform the club. Who knows?
As for Sam Ricketts - I wish him well. He has left us better than he found us. He is not a fan, he is a pro manager. Itís just a job. If my rival competitor company offered me big bucks, I would be off. Loyalty to family first. Still, there will be some on RP who will call him names. Back to school on Monday!!
I disagree. I think if any of us were given a big break in the job we want, then a few months later a bigger company came in for us, we wouldn't necessarily jump ship. A couple of years down the line maybe but there is a good chance many of us would show loyalty to the people who gave us a chance
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I get what youíre saying, loyalty to family etc. Howís this for a scenario though. Local competitor comes and offers you the big bucks. Mid way through your first season, when really you have proven absolutely nothing, despite being at a big club, which admittedly has fallen on hard times. The way you did it was deceitful, and not at all in good faith, in fact there is suspicion you were illegally approached, something thatís going to be aired for all to see. Youíre already a millionaire, so donít really need the cash of that pay rise anyway. Six months later, you donít make the grade, the bigger competitor, already at the peak of their potential, but with unrealistic expectations, sack you. Youíre now a manager with a pretty chequered past, a history of being untrustworthy, youíve soured your reputation in the game, particularly in Wales, an area you have historically been held in high esteem by. 5 years later, Sam who? Sorry mate, no jobs here.

Compare to, taking a sleeping giant, back in to the league, then building on that success to make them back in to the lower league powerhouse they traditionally were, a few years later, maybe even a premiership club comes calling given your previous playing history. Your name is gold in the game, you keep that reputation as a top bloke, let the good times roll. Including for your family.

Like everyone today, itís a short term mindset that will come back to bite him on the arse. It always does.

No luck to Sam from me if this is all true, as far as Iím concerned the board should get security to escort him out in case he nicks something.
spot on

I am disappointed - struck me as classy man with integrity I think he has done really well so far but this shows poor judgement.Stay here, cut your managerial teath , possibly get us up this season or next and have cult like welsh hero status.

Instead a rash and high risk move that could see him on his arse / under a bus by end of season.

If minted then it is greed? or perhaps ego? or impatience? dunno

This isn't about emotive response and name calling - these things happen but disappointing in a number of ways.

Mr Askey please
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spot on

I am disappointed - struck me as classy man with integrity I think he has done really well so far but this shows poor judgement.Stay here, cut your managerial teath , possibly get us up this season or next and have cult like welsh hero status.

Instead a rash and high risk move that could see him on his arse / under a bus by end of season.

If minted then it is greed? or perhaps ego? or impatience? dunno

This isn't about emotive response and name calling - these things happen but disappointing in a number of ways.

Mr Askey please
Who cares - forget him - move on - the club is far bigger than one person.

I'm for Askey too.
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I know, the boards lapdogs get sent after you on here though.

We deserve to know what exactly has happened in due course.
I'd say it was the other round. If anyone remotely defends the board, they get absolutely destroyed.
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