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Old 3rd February 2019, 15.34:36   #64-0 (permalink)
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The board were in a no win situation, Ricketts upping sticks at a vital stage if the season, a heavy Xmas programme and the January window looming. The Denis Lawrence plan fell through, then it was a bit rushed for me but the board were already being accused of dithering and opted for someone with pedigree, someone they were pleased to get on board initially, someone they had grown to trust and showed faith with the type of standard contract mangers at stable clubs get. He was a hero on here, the brians, the one with all the contacts then we lose 4 league games and he is total disaster.
Football club boards are always in a no win situation; this is hardly news.

When plan A fails go to plan B; whether that's chasing another manager at the time or appointing a caretaker and looking again for the new man (or appointing the caretaker if he performed well) in the summer. Some descent on RP is hardly a reason to throw out silly contracts.

Seen as hero on here? Was that the same point that the throttling Ricketts nonsense was being peddled? I'm having trouble recalling a ground swell of support for taking on Barrow with a long term contract. That might have had something to do with Barrow's very public statement of no interest in the post. There must have been good reasons for him leaving management behind so long ago?

I don't recall widespread joy on his appointment either. As for the brains argument, that still doesn't give him longer than the end of the season. A longer contract after he's proved it would seem prudent.
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Football club boards are always in a no win situation; this is hardly news.

When plan A fails go to plan B; whether that's chasing another manager at the time or appointing a caretaker and looking again for the new man (or appointing the caretaker if he performed well) in the summer. Some descent on RP is hardly a reason to throw out silly contracts.

Seen as hero on here? Was that the same point that the throttling Ricketts nonsense was being peddled? I'm having trouble recalling a ground swell of support for taking on Barrow with a long term contract. That might have had something to do with Barrow's very public statement of no interest in the post. There must have been good reasons for him leaving management behind so long ago?

I don't recall widespread joy on his appointment either. As for the brains argument, that still doesn't give him longer than the end of the season. A longer contract after he's proved it would seem prudent.
I just think it woukd have been total lack of trust to put someone with GB's experience on trial.
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I just think it woukd have been total lack of trust to put someone with GB's experience on trial.
He was the assistant manager with no recent management experienced; he'd been working in scouting for Fylde.

The club had already backed themselves into a corner with the 2.5 year assistant contract. Barrow could have had this topped-up to manager pay for the rest of the season and still have a two year deal come the summer. It's not as if he'd get booted out if he didn't take the job.

I don't recall clubs banging down the door to spirit Barrow away, why would they?
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The board were in a no win situation, Ricketts upping sticks at a vital stage if the season, a heavy Xmas programme and the January window looming. The Denis Lawrence plan fell through, then it was a bit rushed for me but the board were already being accused of dithering and opted for someone with pedigree, someone they were pleased to get on board initially, someone they had grown to trust and showed faith with the type of standard contract mangers at stable clubs get. He was a hero on here, the brians, the one with all the contacts then we lose 4 league games and he is total disaster.
Do not get the 'pedigree' bit - had enjoyed success as an assistant manager but he was not a successful manager end of. On top of this he had not managed for 13 years.
Also Askey was an alternative and quite possibly someone like Challinor could be prized away given we had money to spend for once seemingly.
In terms of contacts/brains does not wash as most of team signed before Barrow even arrived time of Portugal trip. Also in reality talk of being brains of operation was just spin by the board once again - as the famous line about best candidate after looking up and down the country.
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He was the assistant manager with no recent management experienced; he'd been working in scouting for Fylde.

The club had already backed themselves into a corner with the 2.5 year assistant contract. Barrow could have had this topped-up to manager pay for the rest of the season and still have a two year deal come the summer. It's not as if he'd get booted out if he didn't take the job.

I don't recall clubs banging down the door to spirit Barrow away, why would they?
I see your point but we need to move from short termism sooner or later. You can't expect players to buy into a club when it is a constant merry go round. We've got a manager, assistant manager and a skipper contracted for the foreseeable, let's hope the building blocks are being put into place.
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Sadly from my point of view, I've been keeping an eye on their forum and they don't seem to be impressed to say the least.

Apparently today they played a 'diamond', a formation that has no place at the lower level of the game. I remember when Wilkin went to a diamond and at that point I thought the writing was on the wall. Hopefully Sam will follow the same route, with Hurst still out of employemnt it's possible.

Aa for Keates, I'd thought he'd be gone by Xmas but a good start put pay to that, but the fat lady must surely be warming up.
Luton's success under Nathan Jones was all played under a diamond formation. Like any formation it can be attacking of defending depending how it is utilised. Luton had very attack minded fullbacks to give width and hard working but creative midfielders then just dominated the centre of the pitch.
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If you think about it, if Keates hadn't sorted out the defence for him, where would we be now?
Of course we will never know the answer to this but potentially it would have been better. Keates spending big money on defenders on 2 year deals and focus ding the tactics / coaching effort on this side of the game forced Rickets and Barrow Into this approach too. Using the inherited personnel with the budget they took up in any other way would hit have been playing to our strengths
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Luton's success under Nathan Jones was all played under a diamond formation. Like any formation it can be attacking of defending depending how it is utilised. Luton had very attack minded fullbacks to give width and hard working but creative midfielders then just dominated the centre of the pitch.
Personally I'm not buying it at lower level football.

I have to say, although he hasn't got off to the best of starts it's pleasing to see a big club like Stoke taking a bit of punt on Jones rather than the usual faces. Hope he does well as he seems to be a decent bloke.
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I just think it woukd have been total lack of trust to put someone with GB's experience on trial.
As an assistant, yes I agree but not as a manager when you consider his last management job was years ago and it was a disaster.
More to do with the boards total cock up in finding a new manager. Not getting who they wanted and then begging a man who's literally just told them he didn't want the job to take it putting GB in a strong position.
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