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Rob 7th February 2019 11.47:11

Statement from WST Independent Secretary
 
[url=http://www.wst.org.uk/www3/index.php/component/k2/item/5381-statement-from-wst-independent-secretary#]Statement from WST Independent Secretary[/url]

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I am the independent secretary of Wrexham Supporters Trust. I am not a club director or trust board member. My role is to advise the Trust and ensure it acts legally and within the Rules. My role provides an insight into many aspects of trust and club business. I do not speak for either.

I make this statement now because I am very concerned about the level of abuse directed at certain individual directors especially on social media. Members should question and challenge decisions by their elected representatives - they have delegated power and responsibility to them. It’s one of the many advantages of supporter ownership. Although board members cannot always reveal the sensitive information behind some of those decisions or provide all of the detail about why events occurred. Sometimes for legal reasons.

Importantly, decisions by the club board are made by all directors. They share collective responsibility as do the trust board for their decisions. There will be an opportunity for members to question the board(s) about recent events. To single out individual directors is unfair and illogical and when it’s abusive is completely unacceptable. I’m sure the vast majority of fair minded Wrexham fans would agree with that.

And so I would reassure members that decisions made by the boards are made in good faith with the best interests of the Club in mind. People may disagree with them but please refrain from abusing individual volunteers. Instead use the procedures that exist to question your board members starting with tonight’s members meeting.

Thank you.

Alan Fox[/i]”

Haruki 7th February 2019 11.52:13

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Very disappointing statement. His role is the governance of the Trust and the club board, there are major issues around governance and accountability. I hope he has a lot more to say after he has investigated them fully and as to how they will be addressed.

Diggle 7th February 2019 11.56:11

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[QUOTE=Haruki;2228441]Very disappointing statement. His role is the governance of the Trust and the club board, there are major issues around governance and accountability. I hope he has a lot more to say after he has investigated them fully and as to how they will be addressed.[/QUOTE]

Well said.

It reads like a conflict of interest to me. If something has been done wrongly then people are bound to criticize and question. Why on Earth shouldn't they? And who is he to tell them not to?

Just more attempts to recreate Animal Farm Two legs good, four legs bad.

Only resignations can solve this.

pagl 7th February 2019 11.56:28

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a lot of arse covering and brushing under the carpet to follow.

The WAFC board have been seen through and they have deliberately withheld and misled the WST and the owners.

The only thing that will save further embarrassment is results, if however results turn then fans will point to this sad and sorry state of affairs as the blame for the whole mess.

CRUMBS 7th February 2019 12.00:02

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Just stage 1 of quashing any possible attempt to put pressure on certain individuals by making out your an imbecile if you have the audacity to question things .

pagl 7th February 2019 12.01:48

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He hasn't even had the bottle to include an email to reply.

Always The Kop 7th February 2019 12.04:40

WST Statement From Alan Fox
 
A very measured message to fans. Nobody deserves personal abuse, it's totally uncalled for ( apologies I don't know how to post it on to here )

Fans need to stick together, don't become like that lot down the road.

Honest open discussion yes, abuse totally uncalled for and it needs to stop


Don't make tonight into a witch hunt of individuals, collectively they all need to sort out the communication issues etc for the benefit of our club, there are more positives than negatives in the structure. We can all move forward as a fan base and that includes the boards and lets finish the season in a positive fashion on the pitch.

The new manager needs a good show of fans tonight so he knows he has our backing, so get yourself to the Cent tonight.

COYR

Phils-an-alki 7th February 2019 12.04:48

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Closed book rings more true with every desperate piss poor statement that's put out.

Jobs for the boys.

I've been saying for years, since the bubble farce that this transparency claim is a total myth and now we know that it really is, even between Club and WST board.

Should have kept his trap shut. Making things worse.

John Neals Dynasty 7th February 2019 12.05:35

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This statement whilst I agree about the decisions is a collective decision and should not be aimed at just one (i assume he referring to Harris) offers no comfort to many fans who are members and a lot not of the WST, he knows the questions will just be answered like politicians, in other words like May in Priminister questions avoided with lies.

Their should be no meet the manager just a question and answer with the board and senior WST members.

Bryan Hughes could have his meet the manager in a month or so if he is still here.
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Red Dragon Froomie 7th February 2019 12.07:18

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All that statement says to me is that we should be sacking the whole board, not just SH.

Phils-an-alki 7th February 2019 12.07:33

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This from a man who manipulates and makes things difficult for motions put forward he didn't agree with? He needs to go to.

the sleeping giant dies 7th February 2019 12.07:56

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fair enough statement. they probably do make the decisions in the best interests of the club ,but when everyone can see that its not the right decisions they think they ve done nothing wrong. the more they get it wrong the longer we are in this league. we need a proper manager, two goal scorers and midfielders. contracts for managers should be given on experience or performance. its getting harder everytime they cock up to keep the faith

Hightown Brymbo Red 7th February 2019 12.08:19

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Was Alan Fox involved with any of the secret deals and therefore approved them ( which excluded fellow board members and the wider membership) or was he out of the loop and therefore couldn't advise and this is all news to him?

Nibs 7th February 2019 12.10:12

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The issue is a lot of people will believe this.

CRUMBS 7th February 2019 12.10:51

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Why don't you try ( as you obviously read this ) admitting that you have made a complete disaster out of this whole affair since SR left , it's more and more embarrassing by the day , face up to the truth admit your failings , request suggestions from fans and act towards what is needed .

panda23 7th February 2019 12.11:00

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[QUOTE=Phils-an-alki;2228457]Closed book rings more true with every desperate piss poor statement that's put out.

Jobs for the boys.

I've been saying for years, since the bubble farce that this transparency claim is a total myth and now we know that it really is, even between Club and WST board.

Should have kept his trap shut. Making things worse.[/QUOTE]

Threats of violence against certain individuals is not acceptable though.

Woody 7th February 2019 12.12:50

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Tbh I’m not seeing much personal abuse, but more people questioning how exactly the managerial appointments were made, and what the situation is with potential consortium.
Hopefully people refrain from personal abuse, at least until facts are known

Phils-an-alki 7th February 2019 12.13:03

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[QUOTE=panda23;2228468]Threats of violence against certain individuals is not acceptable though.[/QUOTE]

Obviously not.

He's part of the problem and doesn't even do the job he supposed to be doing as Haruki has pointed out.

He's just made things worse.

They are so out of touch, its frightening

ABd 7th February 2019 12.13:08

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[QUOTE=Red Dragon Froomie;2228460]All that statement says to me is that we should be sacking the whole board, not just SH.[/QUOTE]

Aye exactly.

John Neals Dynasty 7th February 2019 12.13:21

[QUOTE=panda23;2228468]Threats of violence against certain individuals is not acceptable though.[/QUOTE]


Of course it isn't violence can never be justified.
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Phils-an-alki 7th February 2019 12.14:44

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[QUOTE=John Neals Dynasty;2228474]Of course it isn't violence can never be justified.
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Its an attempt to take the discussion elsewhere.

redinsaudi 7th February 2019 12.15:50

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Statement stinks of ‘ just let them do what they want and don’t challenge any decisions’. Now there’s good fans

Always The Kop 7th February 2019 12.17:20

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[QUOTE=John Neals Dynasty;2228465]Take those rose coloured glasses off and open your eyes to the corruption, plus their is already a thread on this.
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I know as in work it took me a while to write, there was no other thread when I started typing.

Corruption is a bit of a heavy word. I don't have rose tinted glasses, it was my twitter message that got posted on here yesterday, I was / am as miffed as the next fan, however, abuse of board members and becoming a lynch mob is not the way to go about things and so I agree with this statement.

Personal abuse is totally uncalled for... Genuine answers to questions not politician answers are needed yes and I hope that is what anyone asking will get.

Quay Red 7th February 2019 12.20:31

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[QUOTE=Hightown Brymbo Red;2228463]Was Alan Fox involved with any of the secret deals and therefore approved them ( which excluded fellow board members and the wider membership) or was he out of the loop and therefore couldn't advise and this is all news to him?[/QUOTE]

Alan is not a member of any board.
He is the independent secretary.
He therefore takes the minutes at official meetings of both boards and has no vote.
He will advise if there is a breach of the rules.

panda23 7th February 2019 12.20:43

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[QUOTE=Phils-an-alki;2228475]Its an attempt to take the discussion elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

Not really just reminding people of common courtesy and healthy debate as threats and abuse will just drive people away from the club.

RED2309 7th February 2019 12.31:56

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[QUOTE=Quay Red;2228481]Alan is not a member of any board.
He is the independent secretary.
He therefore takes the minutes at official meetings of both boards and has no vote.
He will advise if there is a breach of the rules.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for a bit of sanity.

I can see why Barrow was an easy appointment less upheaval etc while not being in favour of it.

The game was up for him after the team selection at Fylde when Directors Fans & Players saw it wasn't going to happen.

Steps were then taken by the FC board to sort it out which they have - not sure BH is a popular choice though.

My other fear is that if Darlington remains we will see no improvement in tactics/formation as he has been the common denominator with the last three managers.

Funny_Old_Game 7th February 2019 12.33:12

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It just gets worse doesn’t it.

pagl 7th February 2019 13.31:52

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[QUOTE=RED2309;2228496]Thanks for a bit of sanity.

I can see why Barrow was an easy appointment less upheaval etc while not being in favour of it.

The game was up for him after the team selection at Fylde when Directors Fans & Players saw it wasn't going to happen.

Steps were then taken by the FC board to sort it out which they have - not sure BH is a popular choice though.

My other fear is that if Darlington remains we will see no improvement in tactics/formation as he has been the common denominator with the last three managers.[/QUOTE]

How were steps taken by the board to sort it out. Barrow has acknowledged the job isn't for him - the board have therefore reacted to a position that they themselves created by putting pressure on GB to take the job in the first place.

What goes around and all that.

Gaz Wxm 7th February 2019 13.59:58

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[QUOTE=pagl;2228572]How were steps taken by the board to sort it out. Barrow has acknowledged the job isn't for him - the board have therefore reacted to a position that they themselves created by putting pressure on GB to take the job in the first place.

What goes around and all that.[/QUOTE]

GB with his all experience in the game and life, as he is no teenager should not have said yes to a job he did not want regardless of any pressure (if there was) put on him.

Funny_Old_Game 7th February 2019 14.00:52

[QUOTE=Phils-an-alki;2228475]Its an attempt to take the discussion elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

Any chance of him showing us where “violence” has been threatened? Doubt it.

Phils-an-alki 7th February 2019 14.07:24

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[QUOTE=Funny_Old_Game;2228585]Any chance of him showing us where “violence” has been threatened? Doubt it.[/QUOTE]

Reminds me of when Moss and Roberts came out with this stuff as a distraction. I'm not saying this is the same, it just that it reminds me of it before anyone gets all arsey and offended.

andrew 7th February 2019 14.08:03

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Think he is trying to deflect from the mess the board/ WST have made .i do not agree with abusing the individuals either but they have brought it on themselves.You could say the fans have been abused also

REDGOG 7th February 2019 14.20:15

Re: Statement from WST Independent Secretary
 
[QUOTE=Quay Red;2228481]Alan is not a member of any board.
He is the independent secretary.
He therefore takes the minutes at official meetings of both boards and has no vote.
He will advise if there is a breach of the rules.[/QUOTE]

Quay- you seem to be in the know and appear to back the actions of the football board to date.

A question - Did not involving the full WST board in discussions on removing GB and appointing BH comply with our rules in both the letter and the spirit of a fans owned club. Only asking in the hope you would have some insight.


Does anyone know if Alan is going to be there tonight to answer questions regarding any breach of the rules.

For the avoidance of doubt, I have always been a big fan of ownership by the WST and have put my money where my mouth is since the Beer a week days turning up to most demonstrations , marches and meetings.


The running of the footballing side of the club has been incompetent over the last three seasons IMHO.

Get It Forward 7th February 2019 14.21:06

[QUOTE=Funny_Old_Game;2228585]Any chance of him showing us where “violence” has been threatened? Doubt it.[/QUOTE]

Next thing will be John Mills “ I’ve been physically threatened/ intimated / spat at again “ press release
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Funny_Old_Game 7th February 2019 14.22:18

[QUOTE=Get It Forward;2228599]Next thing will be John Mills “ I’ve been physically threatened/ intimated / spat at again “ press release
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He’s another one with a huge ego isn’t he.

rob0916 7th February 2019 14.22:38

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[QUOTE=panda23;2228468]Threats of violence against certain individuals is not acceptable though.[/QUOTE]

I've just had a look through twitter and there is not a single threat of violence against SH so lets not start with that. People are annoyed because he is very vocal when he wants to be heard but the moment there's an issue at the club he goes silent. Why not have a bit more respect for the fans and explain things like you would expect.

dixienormous 7th February 2019 14.44:18

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[QUOTE=panda23;2228468]Threats of violence against certain individuals is not acceptable though.[/QUOTE]

Threats of violence?

OriginalRhylRed 7th February 2019 14.47:45

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shocking statement, reveal who is making the threats please

ABd 7th February 2019 14.47:54

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[QUOTE=dixienormous;2228612]Threats of violence?[/QUOTE]

Aye. Even people at Spencer's work place have threatened to snap, crackle and pop him.

Phils-an-alki 7th February 2019 14.49:16

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[QUOTE=ABd;2228615]Aye. Even people at Spencer's work place have threatened to snap, crackle and pop him.[/QUOTE]

Hope they're not cereal killers.


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