'Redpassion is a disgrace
 

..and some on there share a brain' said one member at last night's meeting. I wonder how he knows. Could it be that he's a regular contributor on here?

I am sure most on here recognise the saying 'People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'

He obviously doesn't look at some of his own postings on here and has also forgotten to look at the matchday programme and recognise that 'some on here' have sponsored three of the players this season.

It is easy to cast aspersions in an open forum when you're having a love in with your mates but you need to be very careful with the words used.

Perhaps the speaker will replace the necessary funds provided to the Commercial Dept to sponsor the 3 players with his half of his brain for next season.

I wonder why those on the top table last night are also contributors on here? In fact one of those on the top table was checking RP whilst the meeting was going on!! You only had to look at those on line during the meeting!

Now call me suspicious but you don't think the statement was meant to deflect the vitriol away from the Fans Facebook page do you? I'm hoping at least one of the admins will take him to task!

If you don't like what is put on here, don't read it!!:44 Simples.

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It's true though. Some posts on here are really good and I enjoy reading them. But most of it is just people moaning. I'm actually thinking the scum up the road are posting on here pretending to be Wrexham fans a lot of the time.

I don't come on here as much as I used to, I don't believe there are other fans in the world that moan and bitch about people as much as our fans do. I'll probably get shot down for this, but if you want by what has been posted on this site recently you can t really argue with me. Also the things that get writes about Spencer is a form of cyber bullying. It's a disgrace!

There you go I've said it, and no I won't be coming back to argue with anyone that disagrees with me. Lol.

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I am concluding that RP is a simple reflection of British society generally
The masses have obtained access to social media and everyone is an expert
You end up with a soccer club run by people who think they know best but don’t and a country that thinks it knows best but doesn’t
Read Brexit debacle
FFS I used to respect Britain and Wrexham FC
Now I’m very disillusioned by both !

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He was probably referring to threads like the one of yours about the board needing to take a long hard look at themselves.

[url]http://www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/wrexham/111627-we-need-change.html[/url]

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We know RP is a Shambles, but it's our Shambles

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A noisy minority..

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I think it's a pretty commonly held view. It's the nature of Internet forums though, a sounding board for personal opinion. Outside of the contributors people don't have to like it!

I'm a bit sad so often read other clubs message boards (I don't really post on them, I'm not that sad) and RP is not unique, if you go on any forum of a comparable size you see the same sort of stuff that gets posted on here.

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I was thinking the same.

I originally came on RP when Moss was in power and advocated we have him the WST war chest. I was quickly persuaded by RP posters that this was stupid and we had a mass enemy called Moss who had a completely different agenda to the fans.

These days it’s just fans with perhaps different political agendas. Last night I expected at least one of the vitriolic posters to attend the meeting and ask the questions they do on here. But no. Not one.

So how important is it. Alternative owners. New fan group.

It’s all just politics and spin. Yes RP poster spin.

At least a core of fans turned out to support our new manager who has joined the madhouse club.

Everything else seems quite petty and moaney on here.

Blah blah I can’t be arsed travelling 10 miles to go to the meeting. No you really just can’t be arsed can you. Stuck to your keyboard.

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It has more good than bad.

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Any Bulletin Board or Fans Forum is the same where ever you go , RP in no way is unique , it takes minutes to look at other forums , I look on Deva chat and now Shrews site and boy it's no different .

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I submit that RP has done, and continues to do, more for the club than the good old boy getting beered-up last night.

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Back slapping and self preservation exercise completed last night. As predicted everything swept under the carpet ala the Mills fiasco. They are without doubt pissed on their own importance.
The person from the board who constantly monitors Red Passion is John Mills, used to post but no longer has the backbone to.

No one held to account.

No apologies over the complete farce of the last 6 weeks or so.

This posted by Junior Shabadoo on the live thread sums it up for me. They really do believe their own hype don't they.

[I]They’re not football novices...but they’ve overseen the rotting of the youth set up, reserves being abandoned, a revolving door of players and managers, done no due diligence on Mills, and jumped the gun on Lawrence to the point of making yet another swift change. And THEY’RE miffed at the suggestion they’re short of football knowledge. Jesus H Christ.[/I]

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Anyone think Andy Cobra was a stooge , an online presence .

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[QUOTE=CRUMBS;2229191]Anyone think Andy Cobra was a stooge , an online presence .[/QUOTE]

Appears out of nowhere and attacks anyone who dares to speak out. Absolutely.

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Oh ivee had enough now anyway. The nodding dogs at the front getting talked to as if in primary school, lapping it all up just show how the board will always remain how it is now.

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[QUOTE=Phils-an-alki;2229185]Back slapping and self preservation exercise completed last night. As predicted everything swept under the carpet ala the Mills fiasco. They are without doubt pissed on their own importance.
The person from the board who constantly monitors Red Passion is John Mills, used to post but no longer has the backbone to.

No one held to account.

No apologies over the complete farce of the last 6 weeks or so.

This posted by Junior Shabadoo on the live thread sums it up for me. They really do believe their own hype don't they.

[I]They’re not football novices...but they’ve overseen the rotting of the youth set up, reserves being abandoned, a revolving door of players and managers, done no due diligence on Mills, and jumped the gun on Lawrence to the point of making yet another swift change. And THEY’RE miffed at the suggestion they’re short of football knowledge. Jesus H Christ.[/I][/QUOTE]

Still in complete shock at some of the reports from last night's love-in.

The numbers 10, 11, 4, 2, 5, 17, 11, 8, 13, 10 signify our league positions in the Conference/National. That tells its own story about how successful the top table have been. Five seasons of failing to even make the play-offs.

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A crass statement that ignores the good work and predominantly fair comments made on here. I get plenty of stick for liking the model but nearly all of it is constructed in a way that has never offended me.
I believe that the current structure at our club is not terminally ill but is in need of surgery.
I suspect that some abuse some of the nonsense on here to highlight the pointlessness but that is too easy.
The fact people bother to post generally means they care. Most of us anyway ignore the lets form a splinter group or lets sack both boards type of comments.
Nobody has ever refused our money so why ignore our comments ?
I would like us to assemble a set of coherent and reasonable questions for the AGM.

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Same RP that effectively saved the club in 2011.

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[QUOTE=ozzy red;2229164]I am concluding that RP is a simple reflection of British society generally
The masses have obtained access to social media and everyone is an expert
You end up with a soccer club run by people who think they know best but don’t and a country that thinks it knows best but doesn’t
Read Brexit debacle
FFS I used to respect Britain and Wrexham FC
Now I’m very disillusioned by both ![/QUOTE]

I have to applaud you for linking brexit to redpassion Hahahaha

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Does anyone else find it ironic that some people on this forum get uppity when someone on the Board criticises some people on this forum for “sharing a brain cell”, when it is quite clear that some of the people on here habitually criticise the Club Board, the WST, individuals at the Club on both the admin and playing side? On a daily basis.

Everyone is of course entitled to criticise, but it does mean everyone.

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This crass quote shows that the Trust Establishment are getting worried because RP are asking difficult questions and pointing out that on occasions the trust have been getting it wrong. Perhaps Pete Jones should publically ackowledge the fund raising that RP do?. After all he supported The WFC Board after they kept him out of the loop in recent weeks.

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[QUOTE=René Higuita;2229195]Oh ivee had enough now anyway. The nodding dogs at the front getting talked to as if in primary school, lapping it all up just show how the board will always remain how it is now.[/QUOTE]

Why don't you stand for the board? That's the best way to change that sort of set up.

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[QUOTE=Trodat;2229202]I have to applaud you for linking brexit to redpassion Hahahaha[/QUOTE]

You beat me to it. Mind you Theresa May could be our next manager. At least she wouldn't be on a long contract!! :D:D:)

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[QUOTE=EnglishRed;2229210]Why don't you stand for the board? That's the best way to change that sort of set up.[/QUOTE]

Why don't you stand to be Prime Minister? I'm sure you don't agree with everything she does. That's the best way to change that sort of set up.

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[QUOTE=EnglishRed;2229210]Why don't you stand for the board? That's the best way to change that sort of set up.[/QUOTE]

WFC Board is unelected and therefore undemocratic

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Just a question , but why does SH use twitter where he gets abuse apparently ( i don't look much myself ) quite willingly , where only a few words can be written , but a well read online free service called Red Passion exists whereby much more space is available to inform fans of ongoing situations , any abusive posts or posters can be removed if offensive . This abuse thing is used when suites it seems , but surely anyone would stop using Twitter if getting abuse but apparently not , why ? .

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[QUOTE=Redrobinman;2229207]Does anyone else find it ironic that some people on this forum get uppity when someone on the Board criticises some people on this forum for “sharing a brain cell”, when it is quite clear that some of the people on here habitually criticise the Club Board, the WST, individuals at the Club on both the admin and playing side? On a daily basis.

Everyone is of course entitled to criticise, but it does mean everyone.[/QUOTE]

I didn't realise the person who raised it was on the board?
The phrase, 'if you can't stand the heat..........' readily springs to mind!
Likewise, the club are also very happy to accept the RP money when it is offered and some of our contributors do outstanding work for the club as well as being in here.

In the past RP contributors have sponsored players, matches (with others) and even helped Geoff Scott out when there has been no match ball sponsor.

Now if you want to link those who spout rubbish with the people who support the club financially and post on here, that's your prerogative but biting one of the hands that feeds you never works.

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[QUOTE=CRUMBS;2229191]Anyone think Andy Cobra was a stooge , an online presence .[/QUOTE]

Absolutely not, you are completely wrong there.

Andy is a long standing member of the London Reds I've known him for years and he has no personal connections to any of the board. He's also been posting on here for years.

In saying all this as another member of the London Reds I disagree with Andy and some of our other members (but not all as with the fanbase generally) quite a bit on this.

I'm quite a lot more sceptical about what has happened than many (but not all of our members) in recent weeks (and I do know some board members at least to an extent). I think we need a CEO and/or Director of Football to help the board out and that questions arise over the Barrow/Newell appointments.

But I do think he has a point that a lot of people will lay into the Trust establishment on here then go missing when they have an opportunity like last night to raise questions. Not sure RP is necessarily any more reflection of all the fanbase than the Trust establishment and supporters are.

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What a stupid statement. Red Passion has its low moments, just like every other football club supporter forum out there.

This forum has done lots for the club over the years through initiatives, sponsorship and just plain word of mouth.

Hell, it pretty much ensured there was a club to be moaning about!

You will get vitriol, you will get idiocy. Yet this is usually cancelled out and then more by open debate, sensible suggestions and outright comedy!

Saying the forum is a disgrace merely makes me wonder if the Board are fearful of the power such a forum can hold? After all, it has the ability to reach thousands of fans, local and worldwide. Does this 'power' threaten the set up they have at the moment?

I don't know.

But if Red Passion is a 'disgrace' I am happy to be disgraceful.
If I apparently share a brain with the rest of you, can I at least have it for a week on Tuesday as I may be in a pub quiz that night?

:)

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[QUOTE=Ddraigoch;2229157]..and some on there share a brain' said one member at last night's meeting. I wonder how he knows. Could it be that he's a regular contributor on here?

I am sure most on here recognise the saying 'People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'

He obviously doesn't look at some of his own postings on here and has also forgotten to look at the matchday programme and recognise that 'some on here' have sponsored three of the players this season.

It is easy to cast aspersions in an open forum when you're having a love in with your mates but you need to be very careful with the words used.

Perhaps the speaker will replace the necessary funds provided to the Commercial Dept to sponsor the 3 players with his half of his brain for next season.

I wonder why those on the top table last night are also contributors on here? In fact one of those on the top table was checking RP whilst the meeting was going on!! You only had to look at those on line during the meeting!

Now call me suspicious but you don't think the statement was meant to deflect the vitriol away from the Fans Facebook page do you? I'm hoping at least one of the admins will take him to task!

If you don't like what is put on here, don't read it!!:44 Simples.[/QUOTE]

I rather discuss matters face to face than on here. How about meeting up over a pint and we can have a frank discussion. Perhaps after the match tomorrow in the Cent. Someone will tell you who I am.

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[QUOTE=EnglishRed;2229210]Why don't you stand for the board? That's the best way to change that sort of set up.[/QUOTE]

You know what i think i might.

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[QUOTE=LlayDragon;2229184]I submit that RP has done, and continues to do, more for the club than the good old boy getting beered-up last night.[/QUOTE]

Who was the beered up old boy? Do you know me?

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Suppression of dissent. Fantastic.

I don’t support Ad Hominem attacks on individual directors, but I think to question individual directors is completely fair game. It’s a voluntary role, you volunteered. With that doesn’t just come thanks and sunshine’s if you consistently make ridiculous decisions.

The facts of this are.

The WAFC board didn’t inform the WST board (who represent the owners) of the Barrow situation, because the WST board are unable to keep anything to themselves. So they need to take some responsibility for that.

SH has for a long time been the most vocal, visible member of the WAFC board and gives the impression he owns the club, when in reality he’s just another fan. This makes him therefore the most easily attacked member. At the same time, he needs to take some responsibility, if you can’t take the heat etc.

The board have presided over some absolutely shocking decisions, giving Barrow a 2.5 year extension without a manager in place. Employing MN full stop, never mind on such a long contract. Then out of nowhere appoint a complete novice manager who failed in a league below us, on a 3.5 year contract. You gave the war chest to the outgoing manager, despite the fact he told you days in to his reign he didn’t want the job anymore. Yet RP is the bad guy?

The board I fear has become an echo chamber for their own greatness. Anything that questions them is a “disgrace”. Welcome to socialist football.

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Its a shame us normal folk have been lumped in with the lunatics.

I would say he clearly hasnt seen such RP gold as "you shouldnt but you would" and "forward are get one in".

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RP is a disgrace because it doesnt toe the party line.
The top reds on here moan about abuse given to the board yet they abuse anyone that criticises the board. Double standards or what!

Has RP served its purpose and is it really a tool for the good anymore and does it represent the real views. Yesterday saw the ranks close and the arse covering take place.
The usual voices rolled out yesterday and its all rosey again.

I dont really care anymore, let the board continue in the ivory tower and lets fk up another great chance of promotion. Does anyone really believe that 5 players for 4 months has cost us £200k. Dream on.

We will still be here in another 10 years being fed the same bull and spin but who really cares.

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I thought you were a top red pagl?;)

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[QUOTE=pagl;2229234]RP is a disgrace because it doesnt toe the party line.
The top reds on here moan about abuse given to the board yet they abuse anyone that criticises the board. Double standards or what!

Has RP served its purpose and is it really a tool for the good anymore and does it represent the real views. Yesterday saw the ranks close and the arse covering take place.
The usual voices rolled out yesterday and its all rosey again.

I dont really care anymore, let the board continue in the ivory tower and lets fk up another great chance of promotion. Does anyone really believe that 5 players for 4 months has cost us £200k. Dream on.

We will still be here in another 10 years being fed the same bull and spin but who really cares.[/QUOTE]

PAGL - Sorry but I have to say that you mentioned earlier that the current model will never achieve promotion and yet under that model we have a 'great chance of promotion' I get confused. Surely you must agree that some of the unfolding events can hardly be blamed on individuals ? SR deciding to leave and GB having an apparent change of heart are human decisions beyond anyone other than the individual concerned.
Regarding the 200k I would just like it confirmed that the money has gone. It was certainly stated that it was provided.
It is a long way from Rosey - we have board resignations and fans fighting each other and without doubt a serious communication issue between management and rank and file supporters. To answer your last point though - I care as do many more.

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You know, I feel a T-shirt line coming...

"Red Passion. Proud to be Disgraceful".

"Red Passion. The Brain is out tonight".

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[QUOTE=Readred;2229229]Suppression of dissent. Fantastic.

I don’t support Ad Hominem attacks on individual directors, but I think to question individual directors is completely fair game. It’s a voluntary role, you volunteered. With that doesn’t just come thanks and sunshine’s if you consistently make ridiculous decisions.

The facts of this are.

The WAFC board didn’t inform the WST board (who represent the owners) of the Barrow situation, because the WST board are unable to keep anything to themselves. So they need to take some responsibility for that.

SH has for a long time been the most vocal, visible member of the WAFC board and gives the impression he owns the club, when in reality he’s just another fan. This makes him therefore the most easily attacked member. At the same time, he needs to take some responsibility, if you can’t take the heat etc.

The board have presided over some absolutely shocking decisions, giving Barrow a 2.5 year extension without a manager in place. Employing MN full stop, never mind on such a long contract. Then out of nowhere appoint a complete novice manager who failed in a league below us, on a 3.5 year contract. You gave the war chest to the outgoing manager, despite the fact he told you days in to his reign he didn’t want the job anymore. Yet RP is the bad guy?

The board I fear has become an echo chamber for their own greatness. Anything that questions them is a “disgrace”. Welcome to socialist football.[/QUOTE]

Useful summary.

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[QUOTE=Ddraigoch;2229218]I didn't realise the person who raised it was on the board?
The phrase, 'if you can't stand the heat..........' readily springs to mind!
Likewise, the club are also very happy to accept the RP money when it is offered and some of our contributors do outstanding work for the club as well as being in here.

In the past RP contributors have sponsored players, matches (with others) and even helped Geoff Scott out when there has been no match ball sponsor.

Now if you want to link those who spout rubbish with the people who support the club financially and post on here, that's your prerogative but biting one of the hands that feeds you never works.[/QUOTE]

I’ve just checked back on who posted it, and see it was Rob who quoted ‘some bloke on the mic’, so may or may not have been a Board member.
I don’t disagree with any of what you say about RP’S fundraising efforts, I’ve contributed myself in the past, as I’m sure some of the alleged ‘single brain cell’ owners have.
Those who do spout rubbish on here are not excluded from contributing to fundraising initiatives. Nor are they exempt from criticism.
The expression, ‘if you can’t take it........’ also springs to mind.