Why Solihull and Fylde going up might be a good thing for football - Page 2 - RedPassion.co.uk

stevewxm · 2nd March 2019, 21.53:24

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Originally Posted by REDJB

We were barely getting 2000 fans 30 years ago.

The football league is a members set up. They would have to vote to add an extra relegation place. Wont happen anytime soon.

Nope, turkeys don’t vote for Christmas either.

dewi ogwen · 3rd March 2019, 04.34:07

Three teams going up will increase the likelihood of more smaller teams going up to the football league. Three teams going down will also increase the likelihood of more traditional league sides like Wrexham going down to the National League.

pagl · 3rd March 2019, 04.35:38

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Originally Posted by Red Light

You can't brand a club tinpot on the basis of how many supporters they have in relation to other clubs.

And attendances wont be used as criteria to increase / reduce promotion / relegation places.

Exactly. The EFL money props up teams like Accrington, Maccy and all others that struggle for 2,000 or so fans. What do they care as there is far too much money in L1/2 being dished out.

FFP in NL would help prevent this but then destroy lots of sugar daddy dreams and prevent these teams coming through which would stagnate the lower leagues.

The NL are happy with the graveyard of ex league clubs and the kudos it gives so they are equally happy with 2up/down.

We have to look at ourselves and why were still here 10 years later.
Small time operations, small time thinking, no strategy, poor structure - no wonder were still small time.

Yes all the volunteers love the club but we are severley limited in our ambitions or ways we can raise them.

Sandgrounder · 3rd March 2019, 07.25:32

I tend to agree with the OP that a couple of "tin pot" (for want of a better term, no snobbery intended) clubs going up might act as a wake up call to the FL. Not sure that Solihull or Fylde are the best examples: they were tin pot once but now both get regular 4 figure attendances. Solihull might even have a chance of turning themselves into an Accrington given the urban mass at their door step. Fylde I'm less sure about in the long term: they're not based in a sustainable location for League football and I would imagine a lot of their new attendance is ex Blackpool fans fulfilling their football fix.

Better examples might be Braintree when they were in the play offs or last season when there was a whole host of financed clubs with plastic pitches lining up to be in the play offs.

Realistically, even then League clubs probably won't vote to increase the possibility of relegation (as they would see it) and would probably grit their teeth and put up with any tin pot clubs. They would probably argue that all the examples who have gone up so far have pretty much been able to turn themselves just about into clubs with acceptable attendance levels, which just shows the kudos still attached to watching League football.

A better option, really, would be to introduce FFP into the Conference. I take the point by Pagl that this would stop ambitious clubs growing quickly but that may not be such a bad thing as, for every one of those which has risen through the ranks, there is another one where a speculator with more dreams than money has ruined a local club.

blackbrookred · 3rd March 2019, 09.07:05

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Originally Posted by Lods

They'll never do three up, three down. Clubs would likely have to agree and it'd be like turkeys voting for Christmas.

This. It's not long ago that if you won the conference you would only go up if you got elected by the league clubs.

dixienormous · 3rd March 2019, 09.09:48

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Originally Posted by Red Light

You can't brand a club tinpot on the basis of how many supporters they have in relation to other clubs.

And attendances wont be used as criteria to increase / reduce promotion / relegation places.

You can

krux · 3rd March 2019, 09.11:53

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Originally Posted by Red Light

You can't brand a club tinpot on the basis of how many supporters they have in relation to other clubs.

And attendances wont be used as criteria to increase / reduce promotion / relegation places.

Some of those clubs mentioned by the op are pathetic tin pot no mark joke pretend clubs.

Second point is right though.
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Connah's Quay Red · 3rd March 2019, 09.13:04

They won't vote for it, and when we do make it back up, I doubt we'd vote for it either.

redone · 3rd March 2019, 09.30:29

theres more chance of 1 up automatic then a play off game of 2nd bottom v play off winner for the other place if it does go to a vote, if your in the League you want all the chances that your going to stay in it, dont think 3 up will happen, when we are out of here it can go to 1 up and down for me

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dewi ogwen First Teamer Joined: Nov 2007 Racecourse Spot: Wrexrent Real Name: Dave Roberts Twitter: @	Re: Why Solihull and Fylde going up might be a good thing for football Three teams going up will increase the likelihood of more smaller teams going up to the football league. Three teams going down will also increase the likelihood of more traditional league sides like Wrexham going down to the National League. __________________ "The team the fans kept alive are going to Wembley," Mickey Thomas.

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Sandgrounder First Teamer Joined: Aug 2007 Racecourse Spot: Real Name: Twitter: @	Re: Why Solihull and Fylde going up might be a good thing for football I tend to agree with the OP that a couple of "tin pot" (for want of a better term, no snobbery intended) clubs going up might act as a wake up call to the FL. Not sure that Solihull or Fylde are the best examples: they were tin pot once but now both get regular 4 figure attendances. Solihull might even have a chance of turning themselves into an Accrington given the urban mass at their door step. Fylde I'm less sure about in the long term: they're not based in a sustainable location for League football and I would imagine a lot of their new attendance is ex Blackpool fans fulfilling their football fix. Better examples might be Braintree when they were in the play offs or last season when there was a whole host of financed clubs with plastic pitches lining up to be in the play offs. Realistically, even then League clubs probably won't vote to increase the possibility of relegation (as they would see it) and would probably grit their teeth and put up with any tin pot clubs. They would probably argue that all the examples who have gone up so far have pretty much been able to turn themselves just about into clubs with acceptable attendance levels, which just shows the kudos still attached to watching League football. A better option, really, would be to introduce FFP into the Conference. I take the point by Pagl that this would stop ambitious clubs growing quickly but that may not be such a bad thing as, for every one of those which has risen through the ranks, there is another one where a speculator with more dreams than money has ruined a local club.

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Connah's Quay Red retired & running a pub (info 1 & 2) (info) Joined: Feb 2008 Racecourse Spot: MRS Real Name: Twitter: @	Re: Why Solihull and Fylde going up might be a good thing for football They won't vote for it, and when we do make it back up, I doubt we'd vote for it either. __________________ Ends.

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redone Legend Joined: Feb 2016 Racecourse Spot: none given Real Name: none given Twitter: @	Re: Why Solihull and Fylde going up might be a good thing for football theres more chance of 1 up automatic then a play off game of 2nd bottom v play off winner for the other place if it does go to a vote, if your in the League you want all the chances that your going to stay in it, dont think 3 up will happen, when we are out of here it can go to 1 up and down for me