January window signings
 

Just wondering if there was any evidence of January signings making a any meaningful difference to any team at our level? ....

Recent experiences ie deverdicks, Oswell etc seem to me to be purchased under stress and expectation but not improving quality at all.

Could be me being misinformed but I wonder what others views are

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[QUOTE=CosmicCol;2240208]Just wondering if there was any evidence of January signings making a any meaningful difference to any team at our level? ....

Recent experiences ie deverdicks, Oswell etc seem to me to be purchased under stress and expectation but not improving quality at all.

Could be me being misinformed but I wonder what others views are[/QUOTE]

What ive seen of Oswell , Stockton , they are no better than Fondop , at least he got stuck in , even if he is green , is He still top scorer ?

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On the face of it no improvement at all

It’s a difficult window to get players in. Good players are playing regularly, so you have to bid high and have a willing seller.
Those available are either looking to get fit and match practice, or are struggling at their current club.

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[QUOTE=CosmicCol;2240208]Just wondering if there was any evidence of January signings making a any meaningful difference to any team at our level? ....

Recent experiences ie deverdicks, Oswell etc seem to me to be purchased under stress and expectation but not improving quality at all.

Could be me being misinformed but I wonder what others views are[/QUOTE]

look at the Orient they signed Simpson who tore us apart.

Solihull they signed Blissett who's scoring for fun. Our two main promotion rivals both recruited in January. Yet again we didn't. :31:

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[QUOTE=René Higuita;2240215]look at the Orient they signed Simpson who tore us apart.

Solihull they signed Blissett who's scoring for fun. Our two main promotion rivals both recruited in January. Yet again we didn't. :31:[/QUOTE]

Green for Salford

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[QUOTE=René Higuita;2240215]look at the Orient they signed Simpson who tore us apart.

Solihull they signed Blissett who's scoring for fun. Our two main promotion rivals both recruited in January. Yet again we didn't. :31:[/QUOTE]

Because we are not capable of either not scouting or willing to pay the going rate
for a quality player.I suppose that is what we get by giving control to those who
have no expierence on running a football team.

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Even bin dippers got Asante.

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[QUOTE=onelegged harry;2240223]Because we are not capable of either not scouting or willing to pay the going rate
for a quality player.I suppose that is what we get by giving control to those who
have no expierence on running a football team.[/QUOTE]

They don't have to run the team they just have to be clear about what the club want to achieve and then make sure it happens.

Quality over quantity - so we should never has signed 5 players if the board had provided this mandate.

Players to strengthen the starting 11 - so again Stockton would probably not have been signed as well as Oswell and Tollitt.

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[QUOTE=CosmicCol;2240208]Just wondering if there was any evidence of January signings making a any meaningful difference to any team at our level? ....

Recent experiences ie deverdicks, Oswell etc seem to me to be purchased under stress and expectation but not improving quality at all.

Could be me being misinformed but I wonder what others views are[/QUOTE]

I think Solihull have signed well and have pushed on, on the back of that to having a chance of promotion.

Salford well they have deep pockets so they can go after who they want.

Think we again have signed poorly and if we did have 200K to spend id like to see the receipts for what we spent it on.

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[QUOTE=NottsRed;2240240]I think Solihull have signed well and have pushed on, on the back of that to having a chance of promotion.

Salford well they have deep pockets so they can go after who they want.

Think we again have signed poorly and if we did have 200K to spend id like to see the receipts for what we spent it on.[/QUOTE]

You dont get receipts from the flea markets we shop in :)

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Oswell was wanted by plenty of people on here as a potential goalscorer to be fair. He was touted for ages.

We can't all claim that we knew he was sh1t all along.

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[QUOTE=louisleftboot;2240262]Oswell was wanted by plenty of people on here as a potential goalscorer to be fair. He was touted for ages.

We can't all claim that we knew he was sh1t all along.[/QUOTE]

I would have continued with Fondop. Poor management in my opinion.
They seem to have let the player be in charge of the situation. Good coaches would have worked to try and improve him.
Top scorer was worth persisting with at least until Xmas IMO.

With Beavon improving his work rate it could have worked as a front 2.

[QUOTE=louisleftboot;2240262]Oswell was wanted by plenty of people on here as a potential goalscorer to be fair. He was touted for ages.

We can't all claim that we knew he was sh1t all along.[/QUOTE]


Very true he was touted pre-season by a few who probably criticise him now.... But surely we should of realised he was not good enough to get in a struggling Morecambe team and if he was good enough they would not of solid him 5 months later.
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According to soccerbase Oswell has had 5 starts and came on 3 times as sub. And we're already writing him off as shit. Give him a chance. He's been in and out the side, probably isn't match fit and nor will he be if he doesn't get a run of games.

He may well flop here but its far too early to judge, especially in this team that barely creates anything for the forwards.

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[QUOTE=pagl;2240272]I would have continued with Fondop. Poor management in my opinion.
They seem to have let the player be in charge of the situation. Good coaches would have worked to try and improve him.
Top scorer was worth persisting with at least until Xmas IMO.

With Beavon improving his work rate it could have worked as a front 2.[/QUOTE]

Agree there to be honest. Sounds like a bit of an attitude thing with him, I think there is a M. Pogbaesque player in there.. Always wanted to stop off in London with his mates in games down South etc.

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By the end of January, the only teams to have looked like they had strengthened properly, were Solihull and Orient.

Not sure that we spent all or any of Barrow’s £200k transfer kitty.

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[QUOTE=Phils-an-alki;2240283]According to soccerbase Oswell has had 5 starts and came on 3 times as sub. And we're already writing him off as shit. Give him a chance. He's been in and out the side, probably isn't match fit and nor will he be if he doesn't get a run of games.

He may well flop here but its far too early to judge, especially in this team that barely creates anything for the forwards.[/QUOTE]

Agree.. forwards also need decent service and we don't have the midfield to do that.

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can we get Fondop back from his loan !!!!!?????!!!!

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I was expecting a lot better from Oswell, he just looks a nothing player. No standout attributes shown so far.

I know the midfield supply is pretty poor, but the lad needs to start imposing himself on the game. I would still keep playing him though, in the hope he could get some form as the other forwards have never had a decent scoring record anywhere.

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[QUOTE=Fozastuta;2240497]I was expecting a lot better from Oswell, he just looks a nothing player. No standout attributes shown so far.

I know the midfield supply is pretty poor, but the lad needs to start imposing himself on the game. I would still keep playing him though, in the hope he could get some form as the other forwards have never had a decent scoring record anywhere.[/QUOTE]

His stand out attribute is putting chances away. So its no wonder we haven't seen it yet.

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[QUOTE=OriginalRhylRed;2240494]can we get Fondop back from his loan !!!!!?????!!!![/QUOTE]

Not much point, he's banned for 3 games...

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[QUOTE=Phils-an-alki;2240506]His stand out attribute is putting chances away. So its no wonder we haven't seen it yet.[/QUOTE]

He won't have many better chances to open his account than he missed on Tuesday.

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We didn't find any great forward players this January. I'm not that impressed with Tollitt. I think Stockton is capable of being a good player but not sure his hearts in it.


No January has gone we've got to go with what we've been good. One up front, with good quick support. I think Holroyd should be in the three supporting, not Grant.

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[QUOTE=Bissell;2240462]By the end of January, the only teams to have looked like they had strengthened properly, were Solihull and Orient.

Not sure that we spent all or any of Barrow’s £200k transfer kitty.[/QUOTE]

If you listen to Orient fans, alhhough they are happy with Simpson coming back (and I thought he looked really. Good against us even not fully fit) and JMD has been ok for them, they are crying out for a central midfielder and some fans seems to be criticising Edinburgh for not sorting this area of the team out.

Fans are never happy basically.

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[QUOTE=EnglishRed;2240683]If you listen to Orient fans, alhhough they are happy with Simpson coming back (and I thought he looked really. Good against us even not fully fit) and JMD has been ok for them, they are crying out for a central midfielder and some fans seems to be criticising Edinburgh for not sorting this area of the team out.

Fans are never happy basically.[/QUOTE]

Football is about constant improvement. We can always be 1 point, 1 goal, 1 player better. Sadly we need 6 of each :)

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Hopefully next season, for the first time in years, we will have no need for a 'big' January.

It will all have been sorted in the summer when the players we need are most available.

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[QUOTE=LlayDragon;2240693]Hopefully next season, for the first time in years, we will have no need for a 'big' January.

It will all have been sorted in the summer when the players we need are most available.[/QUOTE]

Didnt happen in the summer though. We started with a poor recruitment of forwards and have suffered since. What makes you think BH will do better if were not prepared to pay for quality.

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[QUOTE=pagl;2240695]Didnt happen in the summer though. We started with a poor recruitment of forwards and have suffered since. What makes you think BH will do better if were not prepared to pay for quality.[/QUOTE]

Is it just about the cash though, if rumours are correct we have targetted quality over the last couple of seasons but it seems extremely difficult to land those signings. Talking to a couple of local FL players, both targetted by Wxm they are aware we are paying good wages but there is a reluctance to drop to the NL. Unless we have silly money like Salford to throw at it, we are best suited to cast the net wide and find a few gems who can be developed quickly to level required. Hopefully BH & BF can identify those players and can get them in.

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The reason the January transfer window and it's dire signings are brought up every season around now is because the the even bigger failiure of the Summer transfer window.

You shouldn't need to worry too much about the January transfer window if you get the quality required in the summer which is easier and less costly to do. But we don't pay for quality do we so until we do these same transfer threads will be repeated season after season.

[QUOTE=davewilli;2240696]Is it just about the cash though, if rumours are correct we have targetted quality over the last couple of seasons but it seems extremely difficult to land those signings. Talking to a couple of local FL players, both targetted by Wxm they are aware we are paying good wages but there is a reluctance to drop to the NL. Unless we have silly money like Salford to throw at it, we are best suited to cast the net wide and find a few gems who can be developed quickly to level required. Hopefully BH & BF can identify those players and can get them in.[/QUOTE]


😂 like Fondop? Wright? We are never going to be promoted on gambling Oswell had one great season in a league lower at Stockport a flash in the pan? Or just not good enough for the step up? Time will tell.
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[QUOTE=John Neals Dynasty;2240699]😂 like Fondop? Wright? We are never going to be promoted on gambling Oswell had one great season in a league lower at Stockport a flash in the pan? Or just not good enough for the step up? Time will tell.
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Yes but we should be thinking 1 or 2 years in advance, instead if shirt term but considering the constant upheaval in the manager's office we never get ourselves in that position. Fans will throw in the 11 seasons scenario, but unless we get some stability and some succession planning we will always be chasing the money clubs.

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[QUOTE=davewilli;2240696]Is it just about the cash though, if rumours are correct we have targetted quality over the last couple of seasons but it seems extremely difficult to land those signings. Talking to a couple of local FL players, both targetted by Wxm they are aware we are paying good wages but there is a reluctance to drop to the NL. Unless we have silly money like Salford to throw at it, we are best suited to cast the net wide and find a few gems who can be developed quickly to level required. Hopefully BH & BF can identify those players and can get them in.[/QUOTE]

Its not all about cash your right. Its about looking a bit longer term though.
We should have a CF thats good enough for 2-3 years minimum. Fondop was never this option. Backup option yes but not main CF.

We have struggled for years not just 1 season.

BH has to sort out CM and CF in the summer thats the priority. Providing Pearson, Lawlor +1 stay as well.

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[QUOTE=pagl;2240706]Its not all about cash your right. Its about looking a bit longer term though.
We should have a CF thats good enough for 2-3 years minimum. Fondop was never this option. Backup option yes but not main CF.

We have struggled for years not just 1 season.

BH has to sort out CM and CF in the summer thats the priority. Providing Pearson, Lawlor +1 stay as well.[/QUOTE]

Yes but unless we are in a position to buy and pay the wages of a Rooney, a Cooke or a Rowe, who is to say we will get that CF, we are all craving for. On paper the next best thing is an Oswell or a Quiggley or a Beavon but they are either not the finished articles or are past their best. The loan market always seems the best option, without a production line but again no exact science regarding which youngsters are even ready to do well in the NL.

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[QUOTE=pagl;2240690]Football is about constant improvement. We can always be 1 point, 1 goal, 1 player better. Sadly we need 6 of each :)[/QUOTE]

We are definitely some way off. The league has no stand out team though, that's what makes all this so frustrating. Same as last season.

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[QUOTE=davewilli;2240711]Yes but unless we are in a position to buy and pay the wages of a Rooney, a Cooke or a Rowe, who is to say we will get that CF, we are all craving for. On paper the next best thing is an Oswell or a Quiggley or a Beavon but they are either not the finished articles or are past their best. The loan market always seems the best option, without a production line but again no exact science regarding which youngsters are even ready to do well in the NL.[/QUOTE]

Disagree. Loans top up the team. We need a decent CF and pay the price

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[QUOTE=EnglishRed;2240715]We are definitely some way off. The league has no stand out team though, that's what makes all this so frustrating. Same as last season.[/QUOTE]

Since Fleetwood there has been no standout team and it is a fine line between all the others and we are not far offtgat level. Any of the top NL sides would struggle without a fit Pearson, Walker, Carrington or a Summerfield or their equivalents. It's times like this that tests the strength in depth of your squad. If Tuesday is a benchmark we haven't got that depth. However c'mon Wxm, let's see if others can step up today.

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We might as well just face it as a club we just have a knack of messing it all up, every season same thing. Start well, get to January in a decent position, need to strengthen a little. Fail to do that and then fall away.

Same thing next season fellas

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Pathetic effort from the club in january again, league was there for the taking AGAIN.

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[QUOTE=René Higuita;2240917]Pathetic effort from the club in january again, league was there for the taking AGAIN.[/QUOTE]

Priority was hiding Barrows position. Talk about taking an eye of the ball.
However Spencer must have been right as after all he is a fan as well.

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[QUOTE=wrexhamforever16;2240728]We might as well just face it as a club we just have a knack of messing it all up, every season same thing. Start well, get to January in a decent position, need to strengthen a little. Fail to do that and then fall away.

Same thing next season fellas[/QUOTE]

This. I think it needs to be addressed. January should be about getting in some cover for key players incase of injury etc. January's signings seem to have had a negative impact on the team. Obviously having 3 managers hasn't helped either.

Who knows what to expect next season?