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Old 22nd April 2019, 09.21:24   #101-0 (permalink)
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Its a puzzle. Growing membership has to be one of our main priorities (maybe Strategy 2021 can be started). To do this we have to improve communication.
Fans do want to see a sense of purpose for their money. I know a lot of members (me included) pay more than the £1 the month and I have suggested ideas on improvements but as I have been told the WST know better than me so hopefully they can improve this with their greater skills.
Selling ‘shares’ or whatever its called does open up a private investor debate so maybe we should be looking to improve different areas first, generate more financial stability and then improve again.

I see the changes and improvements starting at WAFC board but I know many will disagree.
Interesting that shares haven't even been offered to fans to raise the capital to help get out the league, the club could buy them back gradually over many years.

A fan could potentially sit on the Football board, but that may ruffle too many feathers and I doubt they'd like that. Or a consortium of fans with them electing one of the consortium to sit on the board.

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Its a puzzle. Growing membership has to be one of our main priorities (maybe Strategy 2021 can be started). To do this we have to improve communication.
Fans do want to see a sense of purpose for their money. I know a lot of members (me included) pay more than the £1 the month and I have suggested ideas on improvements but as I have been told the WST know better than me so hopefully they can improve this with their greater skills.
Selling ‘shares’ or whatever its called does open up a private investor debate so maybe we should be looking to improve different areas first, generate more financial stability and then improve again.

I see the changes and improvements starting at WAFC board but I know many will disagree.
Totally agree that there should a reorganisation of the club board. They’ve done an excellent on the finances but have showed their lack of experience regarding football matters, especially in the last 12 months. I’d like to see a DOF appointed ( possibly Flynn) to run the football side.
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Many memberships have lapsed, no gentle reminders, others aren't renewing or won't be rejoing until they see improvement.
We can't and this is the point many keep making afford not to grow all revenue streams.

It may be possible under FIFA rules to give ourselves more protection for the CoE, nothings been mentioned on that and I highly doubt it's been looked into. A board member is on this forum often enough to have seen it mentioned. Again another area where some investment in time at least is needed to generate greater returns, players graduating to the first team.

Signing players on loan, mostly unfit and expecting them to slot in right away with no game time, again some time spent arranging some friendlies would, even against Lex Glyndwr midweek is better than nothing. The youth sides get games through simply asking on twitter.

We simply don't invest in ourselves enough, and it's showing now.

Haven't attendances dropped recently too?
You’ll get no argument from me on the lack of football strategy, especially youth - in the failures column that is easily the biggest.

As far as attendances go you can only really measure it over a season, and there it looks decent; that getting 3600 on a day with mitigating factors stunned people shows the progress made/maintained there.

Lapsed memberships not being chased up does seem to be a common gripe. I would only say that considering the benefits of having it each year for season ticket holders that it is considered a waste of resources to chase people who have “forgotten”; I doubt many will be swayed by being badgered. That’s just my take though, and it can be argued that any other business where you drop off the edge does chase you up.
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You’ll get no argument from me on the lack of football strategy, especially youth - in the failures column that is easily the biggest.

As far as attendances go you can only really measure it over a season, and there it looks decent; that getting 3600 on a day with mitigating factors stunned people shows the progress made/maintained there.

Lapsed memberships not being chased up does seem to be a common gripe. I would only say that considering the benefits of having it each year for season ticket holders that it is considered a waste of resources to chase people who have “forgotten”; I doubt many will be swayed by being badgered. That’s just my take though, and it can be argued that any other business where you drop off the edge does chase you up.
A bit more investment in key areas could go a long way to increasing turnover by £500k, some of it simply needs more time spent on it. Which is why the current Football board desicion to limp on with reduced numbers is utterly bizarre.
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Interesting that shares haven't even been offered to fans to raise the capital to help get out the league, the club could buy them back gradually over many years.

A fan could potentially sit on the Football board, but that may ruffle too many feathers and I doubt they'd like that. Or a consortium of fans with them electing one of the consortium to sit on the board.
Members of the Trust ARE fans. Some of them ARE elected to the Trust Board by other members. Some of those are appointed to the Club Board by the Trust Board.

Whichever way people argue about this, it IS the fans that elect the Club AND the Trust Boards.
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When you say the fans elected the Club Board.Can you remind me how long each board member is elected for? Plus can you also remind me how many votes each club board member had in the election
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Members of the Trust ARE fans. Some of them ARE elected to the Trust Board by other members. Some of those are appointed to the Club Board by the Trust Board.

Whichever way people argue about this, it IS the fans that elect the Club AND the Trust Boards.
Eh ? It is a proportion of the fans, actually a minority given that most aren’t members of the WST.
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Directly electing people to run an organisation is never a good idea, because those who stand may not have the required skills, or the group as a whole may not have the required breadth of skills. That is why other successful cooperatives don’t generally do it. As an example, the Co-op retailer (the Co-operative Group) has an elected group board, but is run by an Executive Management Team, appointed by the board.

Chester was run by a directly elected board and it didn’t turn out well, for the reasons mentioned above.

Of course things aren’t perfect at our club. We have made mistakes but who doesn’t? We are, however, doing things sensibly here. I feel even more strongly that is the case when I see the likes of Ebbsfleet potentially going under because they have been run so badly.
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Directly electing people to run an organisation is never a good idea, because those who stand may not have the required skills, or the group as a whole may not have the required breadth of skills. That is why other successful cooperatives don’t generally do it. As an example, the Co-op retailer (the Co-operative Group) has an elected group board, but is run by an Executive Management Team, appointed by the board.

Chester was run by a directly elected board and it didn’t turn out well, for the reasons mentioned above.

Of course things aren’t perfect at our club. We have made mistakes but who doesn’t? We are, however, doing things sensibly here. I feel even more strongly that is the case when I see the likes of Ebbsfleet potentially going under because they have been run so badly.
The people on the club board at the moment don't have the required skills either so makes all the above just waffle. This is backed up by the disastrous transfer windows and the illogical management appointments of the last 2 seasons.
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The people on the club board at the moment don't have the required skills either so makes all the above just waffle. This is backed up by the disastrous transfer windows and the illogical management appointments of the last 2 seasons.
Barrow wasn’t a great appointment, I agree, but Keates and Ricketts were good appointments. Hughes is as yet unproven.

Which clubs don’t appoint the wrong man on occasion? Even the likes of Man Utd and Real Madrid do it - and fairly regularly too.
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