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Old 21st April 2019, 21.40:53   #61-0 (permalink)
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You make out the Trust decided to sell to Moss.

My understanding (and I’m dredging my memory here) is there were limited interested parties in purchasing Wrexham FC and the trust backed Geoff Moss and Neville Dickens. You say the trust were warned, I’ll have to take your word for that because I can bet that you cannot provide any evidence to that effect.

You seem to attach significant weight to the trust before they owned the club. Again, I am recalling things from some 10 years ago, however, the trust weren't what they are now in terms of numbers and assets.

If the trust did back Moss and Dickens, it didn’t really carry much in the years to follow as they were continually at each others throats and Moss was forever trying to get the 300k which the trust had.
The WST preferred local only and chased off anyone else. Fans camped outside a perspective buyers home until he pulled out because he want local.

When I say trust warned on Moss, it's in relation to splitting assets, by some within the WST hence me saying they kept driving in a wedge between both sides complicating things further.

Of course they backed them, they invited them to make a bid, backed their ownership bid and splitting of assets, don't try to rewrite history.

You don't believe they couldn't have done a leveraged buyout? It was the WST who dreamt up what became Wrexham Village, throw in the income generated from the membership plus flats and it seems feasible to me.

I don't make out anything either, but you're a fan of using such tactics when things get uncomfortable.

Also ask yourself why Dickens left around 18 months after the takeover like he promised his consortium would, expect Moss never did not put the shares up for sale. Tells you all you need to know about Moss and if I remember correctly that was before the assets were split, yet it was still backed.

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Some supporters, it would appear have very short memories indeed - least we ever forget.

Better to have a club to support in the National League than no club at all.

If Hamilton had got his way the pitch could now be a retail park - doesn't bear thinking about.

We need to retain control 'for ever' and never go down that road again.
There is no better advert for radical change. Leaving the club in the National League has not saved it.

It is no use looking backwards at this through the rear end. The debate really needs a forward looking approach. The past is relevant but only to the history books. What matters is where we go to from here. Currently the situation is rudderless.
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The WST preferred local only and chased off anyone else. Fans camped outside a perspective buyers home until he pulled out because he want local.
While I tend to agree with some of the comments youíre making regarding Moss, am I right in thinking youíre referring here to Colin Poole, who went bankrupt a few years ago owing £22 million?
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While I tend to agree with some of the comments you’re making regarding Moss, am I right in thinking you’re referring here to Colin Poole, who went bankrupt a few years ago owing £22 million?
No, I think Poole was when the WST were looking to buy. The one I'm thinking of was southern based.
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[QUOTE=GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo;2249766]No, I think Poole was when the WST were looking to buy. The one I'm thinking of was southern based.
Swampy and we marched through Woking as he had offices there.
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No, I think Poole was when the WST were looking to buy. The one I'm thinking of was southern based.
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The WST preferred local only and chased off anyone else. Fans camped outside a perspective buyers home until he pulled out because he want local.

When I say trust warned on Moss, it's in relation to splitting assets, by some within the WST hence me saying they kept driving in a wedge between both sides complicating things further.

Of course they backed them, they invited them to make a bid, backed their ownership bid and splitting of assets, don't try to rewrite history.

You don't believe they couldn't have done a leveraged buyout? It was the WST who dreamt up what became Wrexham Village, throw in the income generated from the membership plus flats and it seems feasible to me.

I don't make out anything either, but you're a fan of using such tactics when things get uncomfortable.

Also ask yourself why Dickens left around 18 months after the takeover like he promised his consortium would, expect Moss never did not put the shares up for sale. Tells you all you need to know about Moss and if I remember correctly that was before the assets were split, yet it was still backed.
Firstly, things are not uncomfortable for me. I am entirely happy with the ownership of my football club. Youíre not and thatís your problem.

The Trust were never in a position to buy the club when it had land. When it was just a football club leveraged in debt could the trust take over.

If what you say about the trust supporting the Wrexham village model ownership, this could have only have been for the benefit of the football club. We can all talk in hindsight but in my opinion, once Wrexham village was created, itís significantly diminished Wrexham football club.

Perhaps something we can seemingly agree on is the type of person Geoff Moss is/was whilst at Wrexham football club. My principal memories of his tenure were:

a) loans against assets (land);
b) trying to get hold of the Trustís £300k; and
c) not selling shares to the Trust.
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There is no better advert for radical change. Leaving the club in the National League has not saved it.

It is no use looking backwards at this through the rear end. The debate really needs a forward looking approach. The past is relevant but only to the history books. What matters is where we go to from here. Currently the situation is rudderless.
That is unlikely to change in the near future.

Increasingly many and perhaps most fans are aware the current WST stranglehold is "for ever"and hence the apparent increase in apathy.

For ever = no change. Actually things will change, drifting like a cork in the sea. Far better to embrace it proactively. Actually the high risk strategy is no change at all ever.
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Firstly, things are not uncomfortable for me. I am entirely happy with the ownership of my football club. You’re not and that’s your problem.

The Trust were never in a position to buy the club when it had land. When it was just a football club leveraged in debt could the trust take over.

If what you say about the trust supporting the Wrexham village model ownership, this could have only have been for the benefit of the football club. We can all talk in hindsight but in my opinion, once Wrexham village was created, it’s significantly diminished Wrexham football club.

Perhaps something we can seemingly agree on is the type of person Geoff Moss is/was whilst at Wrexham football club. My principal memories of his tenure were:

a) loans against assets (land);
b) trying to get hold of the Trust’s £300k; and
c) not selling shares to the Trust.
They backed it while knowing what a crook Moss was, the WST meeting about the proposal was little more than two groups of people crowing at each other pretending to be hard. While getting distracted from the real issue and finding a way forward.

So the trust couldn't have done a leveraged buyout like the Glazers famously did? I think they could've.

Nothing but blind faith in those running things back then and some currently still are, little wonder were in the mess we are now.

A rod made for our own backs being far too militant for fear of redevelopers, yet jumped into bed with one anyway.

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One of them tried to buy Plymouth, Cleeve tried buying from Moss & Roberts.
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