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Old 3rd May 2019, 16.20:23   #31-0 (permalink)
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I actually hope we do put out an advert as I've posted before. It will be win win for me as someone who is generally pro fan ownership but not ideologically wedded to the model. An advert would either flush out a good new owner (doubt it but great if intentions were demonstrably positive) or prove to fans that there is no alternative so we need to work within what we've got but there are of course lessons we can and should learn.

I would sign a petition to Spencer to explore it if others would?
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I have no problem with private ownership - where can we start the queue?
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I have no problem with private ownership - where can we start the queue?
Put out the invitation and lets see!
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I really think this is a good time for those on here who have legitimate gripes with the ownership to engage constructively with those who are somewhat in the middle like me and suggest positive tangible ways to push for answers/change.

I get a messageboard is the place to complain and that's fine but this season has been constant sniping with no solutions suggested. I actually agree with the bulk of points Phil, FOG, Dixie and pagl make but the way they're expressed is disengaging to me and is usually couched in "post to shock" language.

There is absolutely a legitimate debate to be had about where we are and how we move forward together positively and I'd welcome more dialogue on that.
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I actually hope we do put out an advert as I've posted before. It will be win win for me as someone who is generally pro fan ownership but not ideologically wedded to the model. An advert would either flush out a good new owner (doubt it but great if intentions were demonstrably positive) or prove to fans that there is no alternative so we need to work within what we've got but there are of course lessons we can and should learn.

I would sign a petition to Spencer to explore it if others would?
Too simplistic. The WST and both boards would have to be open to it and I don't think they are. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, as in they've no interest in relinquishing control which is why I've said they place their own positions above everything else. Even Bryn Law wasn't trusted. What hope has anyone got?
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Hypothetical question.
I am a businessman who is looking to invest in a football club. I can pump a few £million in every year. I donít have any history/affinity to any club.
Being a businessman, what would I get for my investment of, letís say £4 million in Wrexham AFC?
The same as the American with Salford,the owner of Fylde who is a Blackpool fan, the owners of numerous clubs throughout the football league etc
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Why do loads of other clubs have private owners then?
Practically every club is not fan owned and the majority are doing just fine. How do they do it?
My question was not answered -- but I can help with my version....

Most owners buy a majority ownership in a club in order to grow it and then sell at a profit. Or cream off some asset and then sell.
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The same return on investment that the Fylde investor gets.
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The Fylde owner has the freehold of the club site and surrounding development. the trust members at Wrexham have ownership of a long 'lease' but the general membership of the trust have no idea what the terms of the 'lease' are. Such detail is only in the hands of a few - I assume WST board and club board plus legal advisors.
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Like I said, there's no point. My other post says what I think. You'll never change your view and that's despite continuous failure on the pitch since the WST got control. If that doesn't open your mind nothing will. I'd then ask why you are so forgiving and accepting of failure.

Your argument falls down because you can't tell me why nearly every successful club is privately owned.
The successful ones either have a brand name behind them known world wide - Liverpool, Man Utd. etc or have a business model as part of the Club - FGR or Fleetwood for example. Barcelona is a fan owned model but again the brand name makes it work.
Several owners have made loans to clubs. They then call in the loans or try and sell the debt/club on. Cardiff being an example.
Read my posts - Iím open to investors and would welcome them. But, you canít give me one argument as to why Wrexham is a good investment.
The reality is, people hope a knight in shining armour to give millions to the club out of nothing more than a love of the club and donít want anything in return.
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HMRC were looking at 44 football clubs over tax avoidance at the end of last year.
Convince me that Wrexham would be a good investment.
Turning the question around what return on investment are the present owners getting?
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