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Old 15th May 2019, 06.49:57   #31-0 (permalink)
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There are two things boiling my piss at the moment :

1) Our 12th year in non league with not much hope of change

2) Our old training ground

Surely I'm not the only one who cannot believe the Football Association of Wales are building a brand new training ground, on the site of our old Colliers Park, whilst Wales' oldest football club struggles in non league, training on a glorified park field.

Please can someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but Colliers was built after the sale of one of our best youth players to Birmingham City, our current manager Brian Hughes, and was taken away from us because we couldn't afford to pay for both the ground and the training ground. Taken away from us after it was stolen from us in the first place, by the asset strippers.

Now, I'm fully expecting Alan and co to tell me we have no legal right to the site, but morally and in the context of football, Welsh football, I find it disgusting. Surely, the FAW will make plans for Wrexham football club to use this facility? We need to make this a problem for the FAW and I'd like to think the Jimmy's could get involved here.

If fan ownership is here to stay I think it's even more important we try to get involved here. When it comes to attracting new players, we all know money dictates, and we can't compete with a lot of other clubs. So, when a new player is shown around the place, it can make all the difference, it's where the first team spend most of their time, their workplace really isn't it? Shortly after signing, Pearson told us at a supporters meeting he realised why Keates got him to sign his contract before showing him nine acres.

I'd like to think some arrangement could be made, and we should be putting pressure on the FAW, Council and Welsh assembly. Please tell me I'm not alone here?
Excellent , Send that in email to the WFA , its worthy , But it will fall on deaf ears mate
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Old 15th May 2019, 07.28:16   #32-0 (permalink)
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Iíve heard a rumour that Swansea are to set up a north wales academy at colliers park. Now that would piss everyone off!
Not happening. Scaling down their plans now they are in championship.
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Will the lads still be training on 9 acre next season?
Moving to the groves site. Not much happening there at the moment tho
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I can imagine all sorts of issues being raised in here if the FAW allow us to be tenants of Colliers. Firstly, tenants of something that’s rightfully ours with some kind of feudal claim. Secondly, if we can’t use the facility for any reason we’d be considered second class citizens in our own facility paid for by the Bryan Hughes money.

As I say, I’d prefer the football club to have its own facility with our own branding throughout. It will also be the catalyst to breathing life back into the youth set up.

I’d like to see something start on the Groves site, however. Plans, maybe? A statement of the actual process?
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Old 15th May 2019, 09.14:34   #35-0 (permalink)
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I can imagine all sorts of issues being raised in here if the FAW allow us to be tenants of Colliers. Firstly, tenants of something thatís rightfully ours with some kind of feudal claim. Secondly, if we canít use the facility for any reason weíd be considered second class citizens in our own facility paid for by the Bryan Hughes money.

As I say, Iíd prefer the football club to have its own facility with our own branding throughout. It will also be the catalyst to breathing life back into the youth set up.

Iíd like to see something start on the Groves site, however. Plans, maybe? A statement of the actual process?
Planning permission required. It all takes time
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Planning permission required. It all takes time
Has a planning application been submitted? If not, it seems unlikely that anything can be done there for at least the next 6/12 weeks.

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Has a planning application been submitted? If not, it seems unlikely that anything can be done there for at least the next 6/12 weeks.

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It would need to go through a statutory pre-application consultation so we'll all know about it weeks/months before the application goes in.

However, have consultants been appointed, plans drawn etc?

It would be a huge shame if the club are no further down the line than they were in Jan/Feb following Harrisí and the Councilís positive words.
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It would need to go through a statutory pre-application consultation so we'll all know about it weeks/months before the application goes in.

However, have consultants been appointed, plans drawn etc?

It would be a huge shame if the club are no further down the line than they were in Jan/Feb following Harris’ and the Council’s positive words.
Pre planning application is not a Statutory requirement.
It's a facility that can be used to gauge an opinion from a planning officer but is not a guarantee of success or failure when a full application is submitted. Sketch proposals would be submitted with photos of the site etc.
The benefit to an applicant is to get an opinion on a proposal without having to have the expense of full plans and proposals being drawn up which could be rejected. Responses from planners are unfortunately slow.
On a scheme like The Groves, it is more than likely that a meeting with a Senior Planner would be arranged to discuss the proposal. Getting the local councillors on board is a real bonus.

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Pre planning application is not a Statutory requirement.
It's a facility that can be used to gauge an opinion from a planning officer but is not a guarantee of success or failure when a full application is submitted. Sketch proposals would be submitted with photos of the site etc.
The benefit to an applicant is to get an opinion on a proposal without having to have the expense of full plans and proposals being drawn up which could be rejected. Responses from planners are unfortunately slow.
On a scheme like The Groves, it is more than likely that a meeting with a Senior Planner would be arranged to discuss the proposal. Getting the local councillors on board is a real bonus.
Pre-app Consultation (PAC) is relatively new legislation in Wales (2016) and not to be confused with pre-app advice (or pre planning application) which youíve helpfully outlined.

In its simplest form, any form of major development (usually 1 ha.+, 10 dwellings, 1000m2) must go through local consultation for a minimum of 28 days before an application is submitted. You effectively prepare your application in draft and inform adjoining landowners and interested parties.

As I say, we should all know about the application before itís submitted
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Pre planning application is not a Statutory requirement.
It's a facility that can be used to gauge an opinion from a planning officer but is not a guarantee of success or failure when a full application is submitted. Sketch proposals would be submitted with photos of the site etc.
The benefit to an applicant is to get an opinion on a proposal without having to have the expense of full plans and proposals being drawn up which could be rejected. Responses from planners are unfortunately slow.
On a scheme like The Groves, it is more than likely that a meeting with a Senior Planner would be arranged to discuss the proposal. Getting the local councillors on board is a real bonus.
I think Alan's talking about the consultation process rather than a pre-app enquiry QR.
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