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dixienormous 13th May 2019 20.56:51

Colliers Park/Gresford/ FAW training ground
 
There are two things boiling my piss at the moment :

1) Our 12th year in non league with not much hope of change

2) Our old training ground

Surely I'm not the only one who cannot believe the Football Association of Wales are building a brand new training ground, on the site of our old Colliers Park, whilst Wales' oldest football club struggles in non league, training on a glorified park field.

Please can someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but Colliers was built after the sale of one of our best youth players to Birmingham City, our current manager Brian Hughes, and was taken away from us because we couldn't afford to pay for both the ground and the training ground. Taken away from us after it was stolen from us in the first place, by the asset strippers.

Now, I'm fully expecting Alan and co to tell me we have no legal right to the site, but morally and in the context of football, Welsh football, I find it disgusting. Surely, the FAW will make plans for Wrexham football club to use this facility? We need to make this a problem for the FAW and I'd like to think the Jimmy's could get involved here.

If fan ownership is here to stay I think it's even more important we try to get involved here. When it comes to attracting new players, we all know money dictates, and we can't compete with a lot of other clubs. So, when a new player is shown around the place, it can make all the difference, it's where the first team spend most of their time, their workplace really isn't it? Shortly after signing, Pearson told us at a supporters meeting he realised why Keates got him to sign his contract before showing him nine acres.

I'd like to think some arrangement could be made, and we should be putting pressure on the FAW, Council and Welsh assembly. Please tell me I'm not alone here?

Alan Attack 13th May 2019 21.05:16

Re: Colliers Park/Gresford/ FAW training ground
 
I’d rather we had our own facility, Dixie and not being second class citizens to something which once belonged to the club. I admire the sentiment but like those flats, it’s a reminder of those who tried to destroy this club for personal gain.

billybersham 13th May 2019 21.07:30

Re: Colliers Park/Gresford/ FAW training ground
 
[QUOTE=dixienormous;2257840]There are two things boiling my piss at the moment :

1) Our 12th year in non league with not much hope of change

2) Our old training ground

Surely I'm not the only one who cannot believe the Football Association of Wales are building a brand new training ground, on the site of our old Colliers Park, whilst Wales' oldest football club struggles in non league, training on a glorified park field.

Please can someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but Colliers was built after the sale of one of our best youth players to Birmingham City, our current manager Brian Hughes, and was taken away from us because we couldn't afford to pay for both the ground and the training ground. Taken away from us after it was stolen from us in the first place, by the asset strippers.

Now, I'm fully expecting Alan and co to tell me we have no legal right to the site, but morally and in the context of football, Welsh football, I find it disgusting. Surely, the FAW will make plans for Wrexham football club to use this facility? We need to make this a problem for the FAW and I'd like to think the Jimmy's could get involved here.

If fan ownership is here to stay I think it's even more important we try to get involved here. When it comes to attracting new players, we all know money dictates, and we can't compete with a lot of other clubs. So, when a new player is shown around the place, it can make all the difference, it's where the first team spend most of their time, their workplace really isn't it? Shortly after signing, Pearson told us at a supporters meeting he realised why Keates got him to sign his contract before showing him nine acres.

I'd like to think some arrangement could be made, and we should be putting pressure on the FAW, Council and Welsh assembly. Please tell me I'm not alone here?[/QUOTE]

Fantatsic post Dixie.I walked past the old training ground the other day and could see a lot of work has gone on recently,the sign on the gate says the F A of wales and it made me think that it would not take much to help out Wrexham fc,but we are from the north of Wales so it will not happen.

pagl 13th May 2019 21.25:43

Re: Colliers Park/Gresford/ FAW training ground
 
[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2257843]I’d rather we had our own facility, Dixie and not being second class citizens to something which once belonged to the club. I admire the sentiment but like those flats, it’s a reminder of those who tried to destroy this club for personal gain.[/QUOTE]

Back to the past :)

The real issue is how can we move forward with the WFA.

Are they prepared to help one of their own and what would it cost?
Do they need the facility Mon-Fri each week?

Again so many questions, what are the WST doing and where are the comms to the fans?

Things like this are the real krux of WST ownership and responsibility.
Once sorted it passes to the football board.

Alan Attack 13th May 2019 21.30:50

Re: Colliers Park/Gresford/ FAW training ground
 
[QUOTE=pagl;2257848]Back to the past :)

The real issue is how can we move forward with the WFA.

Are they prepared to help one of their own and what would it cost?
Do they need the facility Mon-Fri each week?

Again so many questions, what are the WST doing and where are the comms to the fans?

Things like this are the real krux of WST ownership and responsibility.
Once sorted it passes to the football board.[/QUOTE]

What are the Trust doing? Aren’t they redeveloping the Groves into a training facility?

I’m very much looking forward…

dixienormous 13th May 2019 21.34:14

Re: Colliers Park/Gresford/ FAW training ground
 
[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2257843]I’d rather we had our own facility, Dixie and not being second class citizens to something which once belonged to the club. I admire the sentiment but like those flats, it’s a reminder of those who tried to destroy this club for personal gain.[/QUOTE]

I think we should look at it from a players perspective to be honest, I get what you're saying, the fact we play our home games literally in shadow of those flats really gets to me aswell. However, I support the football club with the emphasis on the football side of it, and the average player doesn't really give a shit about the politics of a football club.

Having a modern training facility to train on every day can only be a positive thing for a football club.

138+NotOut 13th May 2019 21.36:19

Re: Colliers Park/Gresford/ FAW training ground
 
FAW own Dragon Park in Newport. Newport train at Spytty. We have no right for the FAW to let us use it simply because we owned it historically

wafc1926 13th May 2019 21.36:31

Re: Colliers Park/Gresford/ FAW training ground
 
[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2257843]I’d rather we had our own facility, Dixie and not being second class citizens to something which once belonged to the club. I admire the sentiment but like those flats, it’s a reminder of those who tried to destroy this club for personal gain.[/QUOTE]
Don't want to play the party pooper but our loss of Colliers Park was a direct result of the 2008 WST agm when members overwhelmingly supported a WST board Resolution backing Moss and Roberts plans to separate Club and its assets. Obviously easy , with hindsight , to recognise the good motivations but also acknowledge the fact that we were wrong to back Moss and Roberts and trust in their goodwill .
Just for the record ...Spencer Harris , Lindsay Jones , Phil Wynn and others ....including myself ....voted against trusting those lying charlatans .
ps Geoff Moss hated me , a fact of which I'm quite proud. :)

Alan Attack 13th May 2019 21.48:47

Re: Colliers Park/Gresford/ FAW training ground
 
[QUOTE=wafc1926;2257854]Don't want to play the party pooper but our loss of Colliers Park was a direct result of the 2008 WST agm when members overwhelmingly supported a WST board Resolution backing Moss and Roberts plans to separate Club and its assets. Obviously easy , with hindsight , to recognise the good motivations but also acknowledge the fact that we were wrong to back Moss and Roberts and trust in their goodwill .
Just for the record ...Spencer Harris , Lindsay Jones , Phil Wynn and others ....including myself ....voted against trusting those lying charlatans .
ps Geoff Moss hated me , a fact of which I'm quite proud. :)[/QUOTE]

I am aware of this and kudos to you for sticking it to Moss and Roberts.

Whilst I appreciate that the WST supported splitting the assets in ‘08, what would’ve happened if they hadn’t?

dixienormous 13th May 2019 21.50:20

Re: Colliers Park/Gresford/ FAW training ground
 
[QUOTE=138+NotOut;2257853]FAW own Dragon Park in Newport. Newport train at Spytty. We have no right for the FAW to let us use it simply because we owned it historically[/QUOTE]

Newport can suck my dong


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