National League Updates 2019/20 Season II

[Ooh aah Paskin]

Originally Posted by Phils-an-alki

All ifs and buts. The fact is they are in League One and we're in the relegation zone in non league.
It is absolutely the ownership model and structure that's brought us here because there is zero accountability, a string of poor decisions, a jobs for the boys mentality and we keep doing the same things and expect different results.
The only employee at the club who is held to task is the manager and even that is flawed, look at the shambles that went on in January and the subsequent cover up.
Its a pointless debate in many ways because you cannot make a case for fan ownership and hold us up as an example. Not with any credibility anyway.

The fan base is split. Most want changes but a minority think more of individuals on the boards than they do the club. Weird.

The fans and people who run the club are at loggerheads.

For a so called fan owned club that spells disaster and it only takes your very basic joined up thinking to see why that will never work.

Attendances have plummeted.

The club has just kicked the DSA out creating further divide and then had the audacity to lie about events to save their own necks. To flip with the club lets try and worm our way out of it seems to be the attitude.

Coming on here lauding fan ownership in the face of what is going on right now against a league one club is just daft and embarrassing.

Great Post, sums it up really.

[dragonspark]

with no offence intended at all but comments i hear defending the current model are indicators to me that the current situation will continue, it is this that gives me no hope for the future of Wrexham fc

[benwilliams]

Originally Posted by Phils-an-alki

All ifs and buts. The fact is they are in League One and we're in the relegation zone in non league.
It is absolutely the ownership model and structure that's brought us here because there is zero accountability, a string of poor decisions, a jobs for the boys mentality and we keep doing the same things and expect different results.
The only employee at the club who is held to task is the manager and even that is flawed, look at the shambles that went on in January and the subsequent cover up.
Its a pointless debate in many ways because you cannot make a case for fan ownership and hold us up as an example. Not with any credibility anyway.

The fan base is split. Most want changes but a minority think more of individuals on the boards than they do the club. Weird.

The fans and people who run the club are at loggerheads.

For a so called fan owned club that spells disaster and it only takes your very basic joined up thinking to see why that will never work.

Attendances have plummeted.

The club has just kicked the DSA out creating further divide and then had the audacity to lie about events to save their own necks. To flip with the club lets try and worm our way out of it seems to be the attitude.

Coming on here lauding fan ownership in the face of what is going on right now against a league one club is just daft and embarrassing.

I don’t think the above is due to fan ownership per se more the cack handed way our particular fans representatives have gone about things. I’m not ideologically wedded to fan ownership at all and I’m far from being any kind of left leaning socialist but I don’t think you can denounce the whole idea because we have done it badly.

It’s like saying Woolworths going bust proved capitalism doesn’t work.
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[krux]

Originally Posted by benwilliams

I don’t think the above is due to fan ownership per se more the cack handed way our particular fans representatives have gone about things. I’m not ideologically wedded to fan ownership at all and I’m far from being any kind of left leaning socialist but I don’t think you can denounce the whole idea because we have done it badly.

It’s like saying Woolworths going bust proved capitalism doesn’t work.
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Woolworth going bust proves woolworths business model didn't work.

Us struggling proves our ownership model doesn't work (for us). This is because it doesn't give us enough money to compete in this league.

[Phils-an-alki]

Originally Posted by benwilliams

I don’t think the above is due to fan ownership per se more the cack handed way our particular fans representatives have gone about things. I’m not ideologically wedded to fan ownership at all and I’m far from being any kind of left leaning socialist but I don’t think you can denounce the whole idea because we have done it badly.

It’s like saying Woolworths going bust proved capitalism doesn’t work.
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The ownership model we have used is basically self defeating. This is what we are seeing now with the majority of fans at war with the club board and WST. Its a job for the boys club and to change that or anything is nigh on impossible. It simply doesn't work. For example most fans are only members of the trust for cheaper tickets.

Making changes to this may turn that all around but whilst certain people are in control and refuse to change or move forward then we're fcked.
A tiny percentage of fans bother to vote on resolutions which is another fatal flaw in the whole 'plan'. Unless this drastically changes then its a flawed democracy in which a small band of fans keep their mates in power and put fan ownership above and beyond everything else. We're on a dangerous path I think.

[Vambo]

Originally Posted by Phils-an-alki

The ownership model we have used is basically self defeating. This is what we are seeing now with the majority of fans at war with the club board and WST. Its a job for the boys club and to change that or anything is nigh on impossible. It simply doesn't work.

Making changes to this may turn that all around but whilst certain people are in control and refuse to change or move forward then we're fcked.
A tiny percentage of fans bother to vote on resolutions which is another fatal flaw in the whole 'plan'. Unless this drastically changes then its a flawed democracy in which a small band of fans keep their mates in power and put fan ownership above and beyond everything else. We're on a dangerous path I think.

The majority of the fans are not at war with either board as everyone that attended the last home game will know.

[Phils-an-alki]

Originally Posted by Vambo

The majority of the fans are not at war with either board as everyone that attended the last home game will know.

So the only way to gauge this is at games? I'm sure you don't really believe that. What was the attendance by the way? Thousands have simply stopped going to games.

I'm going by the majorities we've seen on RP and other social media. There's far more against them than there is for using this as a gauge. Then there's the shameful DSA spat which showed the board as a collective are willing to tell blatant lies.

[mitchelltown]

If the majority of fans are at war with the club board and WSR, why is it taking so long to get together the required number of signatures to call a EGM?

[EnglishRed]

Originally Posted by krux

Woolworth going bust proves woolworths business model didn't work.

Us struggling proves our ownership model doesn't work (for us). This is because it doesn't give us enough money to compete in this league.

I'm with the people who disagree with this, because we have competed. We competed last year. Fan ownership does bring with it a ceiling on spending but with our fan base we can provide a budget that will allow us to compete. Although we need to spend smarter than some of our competitors. And there is a huge question mark over whether we've done that

The current individuals in charge have made some bad decisions, in particular since Ricketts left, and the result of these decisions is where we are. The situation is retrievable though. I firmly believe that it should be possible to achieve promotion for Wrexham fc under fan ownership.

As far as Tranmere go. Palios is an example of a decent owner. He's a football guy as well as someone who has been a success outside football. I do not know anything about these Indonesians but he set about building the club for success after their slip into non league. I support the WST but feel that if we went up we'd need to seek outside investment in order to survive and go to a hybrid model.