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Old 4th June 2019, 11.32:48   #51-0 (permalink)
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'Draft masterplan' for Wrexham Gateway could be public in weeks - plan aims to regenerate Kop land & station area - Wrexham.com

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It's a 125 year lease, which could still be several million pounds for a piece of land this size in a residential area. But if the council don't want houses built on it, and place restrictive covenants on the land to prevent that and require it to remain a greenfield site, then the price of that lease would plummet. If the Football Club took some responsibility to provide and maintain a community area as part of the agreement (e.g. a community football pitch or dog-walkers area), then it's possible it could drop to zero.

I personally wouldn't expect two pitches, a car park, and a club house to cost more than £1m, even with legal and planning costs.

In this video Spencer says that the funds are have been allocated for phase 1 and have been voted on by the Board. Presumably that's the Football Club board, for which we don't see minutes.
Who decides what the fans get to vote on
- the board decided we got a vote on taking out the lease on the Racecourse
- the board decided we did not get a vote on taking out a lease on Colliers
- the board decided we did not get a vote on funding a purpose built training complex

It seems quite apparent to me that we get to vote when the board are confident we will support what they want, otherwise they don't ask us and make their own choice with our money
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Old 4th June 2019, 11.42:02   #54-0 (permalink)
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Mr Bancroft explained a steering group was working on a ‘masterplanning exercise’, “We are due to get a draft masterplan by the end of this month. What it needs is the four key partners, which are us, Welsh Government, the University and of course the Football Club all to agree in principle the direction of the masterplan.”

If it involves the Welsh Government and money it is probably 'dead in the water' already.

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Land for sports facilities is relatively cheap. Residential and commercial land is expensive. A lease might be more beneficial.
Although building work is not cheap. A reasonable facility with changing rooms, toilets and showers etc, Physio room, Managers office,Small kitchen and a room that could double up as an exercise room and video room should not cost more than £250k.
Dependant on the quality of pitch, drainage, sub structure, a reasonable estimate of £150 - £200k for a pitch should is feasible. Add in a second pitch which may be 4G, Looking at £300k (Guess) Security, parking, maybe a small stand(like the one we required at Colliers) and £850k seems a reasonable ball park figure.
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Who decides what the fans get to vote on
- the board decided we got a vote on taking out the lease on the Racecourse
- the board decided we did not get a vote on taking out a lease on Colliers
- the board decided we did not get a vote on funding a purpose built training complex

It seems quite apparent to me that we get to vote when the board are confident we will support what they want, otherwise they don't ask us and make their own choice with our money
We only vote the WST board.
That gives them a mandate to make decisions.

We dont need to vote on these things do we?
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Old 4th June 2019, 12.55:53   #57-0 (permalink)
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Who decides what the fans get to vote on
- the board decided we got a vote on taking out the lease on the Racecourse
- the board decided we did not get a vote on taking out a lease on Colliers
- the board decided we did not get a vote on funding a purpose built training complex

It seems quite apparent to me that we get to vote when the board are confident we will support what they want, otherwise they don't ask us and make their own choice with our money
The lease on the 'course was a no brainer.
The lease on Colliers was discussed and was thought to be too expensive to consider with all the work that was required to make it serviceable.
Pretty sure that there would be a vote on a purpose built training facility if the sort of money talked about is involved and it impinged on financing the team. (This is something I'll bring up at the AGM.
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The lease on the 'course was a no brainer.
The lease on Colliers was discussed and was thought to be too expensive to consider with all the work that was required to make it serviceable.
Pretty sure that there would be a vote on a purpose built training facility if the sort of money talked about is involved and it impinged on financing the team. (This is something I'll bring up at the AGM.
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"The lease on the 'course was a no brainer."
Exactly why they let us think we were important enough to have a say as they knew what we would vote for. That said it was still a misleading vote, As soon as it was passed they released more information on how much financial strain we were now under as a result, quite why they didn't release that before hand is quite clear to me. More board room manipulation of the fans

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The lease on Colliers was discussed and was thought to be too expensive to consider with all the work that was required to make it serviceable.
Discussed by who? And deemed too expensive by who? Not the fanbase for sure although the fans were deemed important enough to decide on the Racecourse lease. Maybe some fans thought that Colliers was worth investing in rather than training on 9 acres amongst stray golf balls and dog muck. Rather than democracy and letting us have that vote they decided for us to make sure they got what they wanted.
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Exactly why they let us think we were important enough to have a say as they knew what we would vote for. That said it was still a misleading vote, As soon as it was passed they released more information on how much financial strain we were now under as a result, quite why they didn't release that before hand is quite clear to me. More board room manipulation of the fans



Discussed by who? And deemed too expensive by who? Not the fanbase for sure although the fans were deemed important enough to decide on the Racecourse lease. Maybe some fans thought that Colliers was worth investing in rather than training on 9 acres amongst stray golf balls and dog muck. Rather than democracy and letting us have that vote they decided for us to make sure they got what they wanted.
It's all over for me and I'm praying for change. I think some of us need to get together and have a serious think about this.
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The WST claim of transparency and democracy has been well and truly exposed as total bullsh!t. Its just more spin.
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