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Old 14th June 2019, 11.36:17   #71-0 (permalink)
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That's one of the issues.

Voting needs to be increased to increase diversity. If only a small proportion vote, and always vote the same way, the status quo is maintained.
Agreed. But in the short term - that can help get someone different in as it doesn't require a lot of votes.
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It doesn't have to be hustings. As well as a personal statement there could be some set meaningful questions for each candidate to answer on the application form. This way they can still write all their "I've been a fan for x years" rubbish on the statement but the questions give us comparative information on each candidate. Another way is for members to submit questions they want to ask candidates to the election committee and answers (to sensible non abusive questions) are answered then circulated to all members.
Of course we could benefit from technology and do hustings on line?
Good ideas there.
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Old 14th June 2019, 11.36:35   #73-0 (permalink)
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Even following Pete's version of events. Barrow was still a very poor decision. - He has a questionable managerial record
- He hadn't managed for over 10 years
- He had very recently intimated he didn't want the job. Despite changing his mind that should have rung alarm bells
- At the risk of being seen as "ageist" his age would have been an issue for me, an elder statesman doing what is a younger mans job
- He was currently our number 2, very rarely does the step up to the top job work as it is a different relationship with the players that cannot be switched on and off over night. Worrying Pete quotes the "continuity" argument which is the exact same wording used with the failed appointment of Davies just 6 months earlier. It seems the board learnt nothing

It is apparent that the board went after Big Den and he pulled out. At that point they panicked and appointed Barrow as the "easiest" option rather than keeping him in caretaker control and finding the right man. That decision was catastrophic in meaning we hired and fired Mike Newell and ended up with a man who didn't want to be here spending a £200k budget in a crucial transfer window. Pete can cloud this with "abuse of volunteers" all he likes but it was a disaster series of decision making from those in charge and we are yet to see any evidence that they acknowledge those mistakes and will learn from them going forwards.

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It's all very well being cynical and you may have a valid point but if the board is made up of the most popular facebook users, I dread to think of the mess the club would be in within 6 months.
Seems to me that the more responsible people leave facebook and twitter etc alone.
I believe that the only way is to organise hustings. Each candidate is given 5 minutes to outline his / her vision and attributes and can then be questioned.
Never easy to get 6 or 7 people in the room at the same time / date but got to be worth a try.

Must be responsible then I don't do Facebook or Twitter 😀
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Agreed. But in the short term - that can help get someone different in as it doesn't require a lot of votes.
Only if you can get a block to vote the same way.

Having blocks voting one way or the other isn't great, extremes aren't great. If greater voting can be achieved, based on better data from candidates, then hopefully good change can happen.
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Can I have an apology from Moss so I can move on too?

Give him a twitter message and don't be abusive.... See you are one who can't move forwards from years ago. But regarding 2 yrs on the trot by those in charge still their is no excuse.
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It's been pointed out to me that Pete's comment about Barrow letting the board know at the end of January could be seen as misleading.

I've been told it's a fact that he informed them on 12th January before the Meet the Manager event was held on the 16th.
So he is basically lying.

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Can I have an apology from Moss so I can move on too?
Moss has nothing to do with the club anymore though
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Abuse is wrong, as has been said by many people on here. But using that to hide behind the fair criticism that both boards received is quite poor. Every club, in fact I would say every organisation that has a fairly high profile in the public will have nasty people giving abuse over social media (this is an issue that is not exclusive to Wrexham AFC). It's an unfortunate side of social media that can't be avoided.

The appointment of Barrow was a terrible decision and one they should own up to. Just because Barrow wanted the job, doesn't mean he should have got it. Try and twist it as Barrow changing his mind all you want, the club still hired him as first team manager. And as already mentioned, holding a meet the manager event was laughable.

The PR from the club is quite poor. The general tone of these statements give me the impression there is no culpability. To even accuse fans of putting players off joining is absolutely crazy to publicly state.

As a fan owned club, attacking your fan base like this is a seriously bad move and only serves to create a divide.
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