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Old 28th July 2019, 17.30:47   #1-0 (permalink)
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Interesting read https://nathanleedavies.wordpress.co...-in-the-teeth/
Old 28th July 2019, 17.45:00   #2-0 (permalink)
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I know both Nathan and the source of his update,and they're both a damned credit to our club.
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Let’s face it, it takes a pretty hard faced attitude to listen to what potential users have to say, be given a mandate via the membership to follow what those potential users want, and then just go and do something else which serves to aggravate those users. I’m not on the inside but there feels like an air of the board trying to let everyone know who’s boss, rather than achieve an acceptable solution.
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Let’s face it, it takes a pretty hard faced attitude to listen to what potential users have to say, be given a mandate via the membership to follow what those potential users want, and then just go and do something else which serves to aggravate those users. I’m not on the inside but there feels like an air of the board trying to let everyone know who’s boss, rather than achieve an acceptable solution.
There are some ivory towers,which badly need shaking I'm afraid.
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Old 28th July 2019, 18.21:14   #5-0 (permalink)
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what have i missed reading this link ? seems to me from reading...

that the DSA Asked for a new platform... Club have said yes between the Yale and Uno stand... and now not happy because of where its being put?
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what have i missed reading this link ? seems to me from reading...

that the DSA Asked for a new platform... Club have said yes between the Yale and Uno stand... and now not happy because of where its being put?
You have missed something,quite a lot in fact.
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Personally, I think the WST have made a logical decision based on what they have. From what I've read and understand if the platform had been built in the lower Yale stand, that area would then have to be delegated as a home section. Also, because there would be no catering facilities, it could not have been made available to home fans, apart from disabled platform users, who would have their needs catered for by delivery. So straight away, you would have a segregated area, which is what people are complaining about.
And it would then also mean that in a lot of matches we would have to give up the GUS to away fans because of the reduced capacity in the away section. If everyone is happy with this, why not do it? Maybe it could be voted on? Give up the GUS for a platform? I'm sure everyone would vote for that.
I also fail to see where the WST have not followed the resolution voted on:

The Society resolves that:

1. There is designated wheelchair and carer bays at the front of the Hays Travel stand.

2. That the club take action as soon as possible on further platforms as soon as funding is in place, and the plans have been passed by Wrexham Council and by the Safety Officer.

3. That these new facilities are not tied in to, or dependent upon, any other stadium redevelopments.

4. That the club meets minimum standards of accessibility at the earliest possible opportunity.”
Can someone show me where they've not followed the resolution?

It seems to me there's not a fight between the WST and the needs of disabled supporters, but the WST having a foot in the reality of running an aged stadium. But then again, the WST are never right are they?
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You have missed something,quite a lot in fact.
fill me in then ? as thats how i read it.
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Personally, I think the WST have made a logical decision based on what they have. From what I've read and understand if the platform had been built in the lower Yale stand, that area would then have to be delegated as a home section. Also, because there would be no catering facilities, it could not have been made available to home fans, apart from disabled platform users, who would have their needs catered for by delivery. So straight away, you would have a segregated area, which is what people are complaining about.
And it would then also mean that in a lot of matches we would have to give up the GUS to away fans because of the reduced capacity in the away section. If everyone is happy with this, why not do it? Maybe it could be voted on? Give up the GUS for a platform? I'm sure everyone would vote for that.
I also fail to see where the WST have not followed the resolution voted on:

The Society resolves that:

1. There is designated wheelchair and carer bays at the front of the Hays Travel stand.

2. That the club take action as soon as possible on further platforms as soon as funding is in place, and the plans have been passed by Wrexham Council and by the Safety Officer.

3. That these new facilities are not tied in to, or dependent upon, any other stadium redevelopments.

4. That the club meets minimum standards of accessibility at the earliest possible opportunity.”
Can someone show me where they've not followed the resolution?

It seems to me there's not a fight between the WST and the needs of disabled supporters, but the WST having a foot in the reality of running an aged stadium. But then again, the WST are never right are they?
You have completely misunderstood the situation regarding the original plan for platform 2 I am afraid.

It was originally planned as a home fans platform and would bring back into use that area of the ground. It was the idea of a WST Board member and was planned with consultation with DSA, WST, WAFC, architect, structural engineer and both club and WCBC safety officer.

AT THAT TIME the club were giving over the Tech End when larger away followings came to town, meaning that when this happened then the platform would be in the home end for those games.

IF that plan for platform 2 had been built the lower Yale food kiosk would have been converted to an accessible toilet which would have meant the construction of a small away fans kiosk, which could easily have been done in the unused corner where the new platform is now to go.

The lower Yale in the case of that plan being done could have been suitable to be used as either a home or away end.

The switching of away fans into the Tech End was never anything to do with the platform, nor would it be now.
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You have completely misunderstood the situation regarding the original plan for platform 2 I am afraid.

It was originally planned as a home fans platform and would bring back into use that area of the ground. It was the idea of a WST Board member and was planned with consultation with DSA, WST, WAFC, architect, structural engineer and both club and WCBC safety officer.

AT THAT TIME the club were giving over the Tech End when larger away followings came to town, meaning that when this happened then the platform would be in the home end for those games.

IF that plan for platform 2 had been built the lower Yale food kiosk would have been converted to an accessible toilet which would have meant the construction of a small away fans kiosk, which could easily have been done in the unused corner where the new platform is now to go.

The lower Yale in the case of that plan being done could have been suitable to be used as either a home or away end.

The switching of away fans into the Tech End was never anything to do with the platform, nor would it be now.
A couple of points. There is already a new existing food kiosk in the corner where the new platform appears to be heading. I disagree with your comment that the switching of the away fans back to the Tech End would not be the result of building a platform in the original proposed area in the lower Yale, as the refreshment kiosk would be in the area that is part of the home section, which is barriered off from the lower Yale, so couldn't be used by that section, resulting in the loss of all the other seats.
Also, what is obvious yet continually overlooked in the race to condemn the club, is that this won't be the last platform? I expect there will be further ones included as the ground gets redeveloped, I'm sure the WST are not the evil, teeth kicking antifans they are portrayed as.
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