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Old 9th August 2019, 16.28:01   #11-0 (permalink)
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Great! If he gets game time it will be good experience for him.

However, not to put a negative take on this, but usually when Wrexham send these players on loan to Welsh prem sides, they usually get released a year or so later.
Usually it's lads like Leo Smith who spent years in the first team set-up but nowhere near the starting XI or the bench this is true for. Thorn has been a first teamer for a few months so I don't think he's quite on the brink of release just yet.

Although it's getting harder and harder for youths to break into our first team and hold down a place in the team.
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We have significant competition for places in midfield now - it would take an exceptional teenager to break into the team and stay there taking the place of an older experience and established player who will have a fair few seasons under his belt.

Some of us probably reflect on the Brian Flynn era when he had little choice but to throw in a load of youngsters and play them continually - Wayne Phillips, Gareth Owen then Dave Brammer - Phil Hardy at full back and Jon Cross.

Now realistically, unless we have a really bad run of injuries and suspensions there is little chance - managers will always play it safe and turn to the old heads unless there is nothing to play for in the closing matches of the season or we are 3 - 0 up with 5 minutes to go and a teenager is given minimalistic game time from the bench.

Problem is not necessarily making a debut - it's being able to play at a consistently high standard both home and away for a prolonged period - to my mind youths with little experience don't have the mindset and mental toughness to do this.

The other factor which has changed which didn't exist a few decades ago is that the game is now awash with players from other countries which has a knock on effect down the pyramid - the Premier League and Championship are full of foreign players squeezing the possibility of home grown youth having the same opportunities as they once did.

Managers (and who can blame them) must be aware they have little room for error and experimentation - we live for the here and now - gambling on the potential of a teenager is not the safe option - unless of course your at a club with little alternative option and have no choice but to play them.
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I don't like our players going on loan to Welsh Premier clubs , because the same rules apply as with the English Premier League in other words we cant get them back until the January window.
This is fine if the player is so far down the pecking order they are unlikely to be needed for the fist team.
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I don't like our players going on loan to Welsh Premier clubs , because the same rules apply as with the English Premier League in other words we cant get them back until the January window.
This is fine if the player is so far down the pecking order they are unlikely to be needed for the fist team.
But is / was Thorn close enough to the first team ? and if he didn't go out on loan then he would probably vegetate with no game time - better for him to be playing and highly active.

Would say Doug Tharme is our best youth prospect but with signing Chambers then he went down the pecking order.......and was loaned out to AFC Telford United.

However, a couple of injuries or suspensions at the same time combined with the long term injury to Manny Smith and we would be struggling in central defence especially with the additional Scottish Cup competition and potential additional games - but I suppose it's a gamble - balancing the possibility of shortages against the desire to provide up and coming players with game time - there is always the emergency loan option if we hit a difficult patch and were suddenly struggling for players in specific positions.
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was at Telford vs Kiddy on Tuesday, Tharme cam on just into second half - did ok - he won't be a regular starter there
He needs to be playing. Going to do him no good sitting on the bench.

I hope as a club we are pushing as much as possible to ensure he gets game time otherwise itís completely pointless
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Realistically these kids are miles off being in the first team. Takes 2/3 season for them to adapt and we canít really afford to carry them in the hope there the next Craig Morgan
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He needs to be playing. Going to do him no good sitting on the bench.

I hope as a club we are pushing as much as possible to ensure he gets game time otherwise itís completely pointless
It would be pointless up to a point but in my view, any loanee, Tharme or anyone else surely should earn a starting place on merit - it's up to him to show he has the ability to break in and hold a place in Telford's team.

We have had plenty of loanees in recent seasons - rumours spread that despite their poor on field performances we just had to give them game time - this simply can't be right - the manager should be held accountable but also have a free reign to select the best team he can with the players available at his disposal regardless of whether they are a loanee that their parent club expects them to waltz into the first team unchallenged.

Telford have established older players at the back - Streete to name one - for Tharme it will be a case of hopefully gaining more game time than he would get with us.......but he doesn't have an automatic right to a Telford shirt just because he is on loan from the mighty Wrexham - will be interesting to see how he gets on there and who, if anyone he displaces from their team on a regular basis.
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Regardless if Tharme establishes himself as a first choice centre back, he is likely to be in the 16 every week and get more minutes than here and has shown he can do a job at right back as cover. In the scheme of things he is still young and inexperienced so this is a big chance to show he has the potential to keep progressing.
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Tharme played a full match last season against someone at the Racecourse, and to be fair to him he didn't put a foot wrong and played very well.
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There seems to be a different attitude to youth players with BH, he does seem to have more of a long term outlook and wants to progress those that are good enough. The problem we have is that while we're non-league, we will struggle to keep hold of the better ones unless we take the risk of signing them to pro contracts.
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