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Old 12th August 2019, 08.22:39   #253-0 (permalink)
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I cant see how anyone can seriously argue it's not a red.

I accept it's at the more tame end of the spectrum of red card offences but still well within it. Crazy time of the game to do it too, totally brainless.
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What a sad bunch of diehard losers posting on here based on nothing more than rumours (inventions) misconceptions, bias and downright hate for the club as it is.
Bryan Hughes condemned by a poster for being out of his depth and in the same post being praised for his recruitment.
Lyndsay being tagged as part of a clique. He's a lone wolf. His own opinion shared by some and dismissed by others.
Pearson gone from demi god to Devil incarnate in the space of 2 games.
Grant rightly criticised for stupidity but the anti Grant brigade didn't need any persuasion. As part of a front three he's done well overall and scored 2 in the bargain.
The same posters yelling for Chambers to bolster the defence complaining that it didn't work.
The board have no football knowledge?? I think after 7 years they will have accumulated more football knowledge than 99% of the posters on here. They may make decisions that some don't like but that's part and parcel of the job, just like it's been for the club throughout it's life.
Most other football club owners have little or no football knowledge, they make appointments and trust the pros.
To those who are giving up after 3 games, I feel sorry for you but I'm sure that when this team starts winning you will not be posting anyway.
This is a really strong post QR and I agree with your thoughts on this.

Equally important for me are those comments which have opposing views, sometimes unkind and occasionally misinformed. This is because Red Passion, for good and bad, is my daily contact with my Club. Living 60 odd miles away and finding travel more challenging, presents few opportunities to talk about Wrexham FC when you are 'the only fan in the village'. (There are other Reds in the area but not in my circle of friends)

Over the years I have enjoyed being part of RP one factor seems to be predominant and common to all posters - none of us really know what is actually going on. In the absence of fact all opinions are valid, even if we do revert to numptyness at times.
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I cant see how anyone can seriously argue it's not a red.

I accept it's at the more tame end of the spectrum of red card offences but still well within it. Crazy time of the game to do it too, totally brainless.
Grant wasn’t the only one at fault. Summerfield could have easily walked as well for a bad challenge and umpteen other offences.

The midfield 4 were being overrun when we were playing 4-4-1 so the management decided to go 5-3-1 with a right wing back who can’t Defend to save his life. The 3 then failed in midfield more so than when we had 4 there! Even more stupid than Grants actions.
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I cant see how anyone can seriously argue it's not a red.

I accept it's at the more tame end of the spectrum of red card offences but still well within it. Crazy time of the game to do it too, totally brainless.
Mainly because if it happens in the centre circle, it’s a yellow card all day long.
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Mainly because if it happens in the centre circle, it’s a yellow card all day long.
Does it not depend on the context though? If a player has possession and is tripped, then it's a foul and a yellow.

However if a player taking a free kick is tripped would that be a red? You would think so.

As the keeper has the ball in hand, I would have thought the ruling would be similar to the latter (though I'm not sure) as you can't knock the ball out of the keeper's hands. So to Grant it's essentially a dead ball scenario. Although it's tame, you can see why the ref would rule that as violent conduct as there's no way Grant can achieve anything.

That's how I view it anyway.

Edit: just to add, I think had he been tripping the keeper up to stop him kicking the ball to a player on the counter, it would be viewed as a yellow and a professional foul.

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I cant see how anyone can seriously argue it's not a red.

I accept it's at the more tame end of the spectrum of red card offences but still well within it. Crazy time of the game to do it too, totally brainless.
Petulant but hardly violent conduct,

VIOLENT CONDUCT

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made
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Petulant but hardly violent conduct,

VIOLENT CONDUCT

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made
Just reading up on the rules it's a bit of a grey area. Judging by what I've seen, there's actually no call to send Grant off for this and I think the club have a case. It looks as though it should have been a free-kick and a caution for Grant for unsporting behaviour.
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Does it not depend on the context though? If a player has possession and is tripped, then it's a foul and a yellow.

However if a player taking a free kick is tripped would that be a red? You would think so.

As the keeper has the ball in hand, I would have thought the ruling would be similar to the latter (though I'm not sure) as you can't knock the ball out of the keeper's hands. So to Grant it's essentially a dead ball scenario. Although it's tame, you can see why the ref would rule that as violent conduct as there's no way Grant can achieve anything.

That's how I view it anyway.

Edit: just to add, I think had he been tripping the keeper up to stop him kicking the ball to a player on the counter, it would be viewed as a yellow and a professional foul.
I don’t disagree. Perhaps it’s frustration for something so bloody soft.
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Just reading up on the rules it's a bit of a grey area. Judging by what I've seen, there's actually no call to send Grant off for this and I think the club have a case. It looks as though it should have been a free-kick and a caution for Grant for unsporting behaviour.
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Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed

Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned.

Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off”
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