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Haruki 4th September 2019 08.54:17

Re: Confidence in the Boards - WST & Club
 
[QUOTE=Phils-an-alki;2289511]If you do still have confidence, 3 still do so far, it would be good to hear why? Genuine question.[/QUOTE]

Like many i see the club board having made some solid decision with off the field activities and finances but then some other very poor decisions off the field too such as
- Holding a money spinning friendly with Vaughan's Bangor
- Leaving fans in some very poor conditions at the stadium such as toilets not working, bird muck on seats etc
- Refusal to act upon the owners instructions over the disabled viewing platform

Then where do you start on the playing side of the club, absolute shambles. A professional business running its core activities on part time staff is what we have become. The Barrow fiasco, Mike Newell, appointing a failed Scarborough manager, the list goes on and on and most worrying if Hughes left today i think a similarly bad decision would follow.

The areas of the club that i think have been really successful are the ones where we appoint people to do specialist roles. Commercial is really good under Geoff Scott. The lads in the club shop are an absolute credit to the club, so friendly and helpful. And personally i think the media team output is largely very good, some criticise the tracksuits and the tame questions in interviews but the social media updates and the youtube highlights etc are top notch in my opinion.

As for the WST board? I am struggling to know what they actually do. Loads of names on the board but the end product is not visible to the rank and file fans. Off the top of my head i can only think of the Youth football day as a recent activity. Membership seems to have moved to the lads in the club shop, Fundraising efforts seem to have dried up. Added to the fact the source of the leaks still sits in a senior position.

My main issue with the WST board though is it is too close to the WAFC board, too cosy and there is no separation. As our elected representatives, the WST board should be questioning the WAFC board and holding them to account on their decisions and understanding how their mistakes are being rectified. All i can see from the outside is a big pat on the back club.

Superunknown 4th September 2019 08.54:41

Re: Confidence in the Boards - WST & Club
 
[QUOTE=NedStarksGhost;2289518]Difficult to answer as I think it's too complex to boil down to Yes or No.

As said above, off the field they do a great job. But the football side needs a lot of work and I don't have the confidence in us achieving anything if they continue to run it.

So I voted Yes, but on the premise there is a change on the current structure. For example, bringing in someone with experience in a director of football role perhaps.[/QUOTE]

It's really not tbh. They obviously do a great job off the field, no one disputes that and they should carry on with this.

But as a football club, where are the positives, what have they shown over the past 5 years that signals to us, as fans that they have the ability to pick a manager who can get results on the field and if they can, what will they do to ensure we keep such a manager who could potentially get us up.

NedStarksGhost 4th September 2019 08.58:04

Re: Confidence in the Boards - WST & Club
 
[QUOTE=Superunknown;2289525]It's really not tbh. They obviously do a great job off the field, no one disputes that and they should carry on with this.

But as a football club, where are the positives, what have they shown over the past 5 years that signals to us, as fans that they have the ability to pick a manager who can get results on the field and if they can, what will they do to ensure we keep such a manager who could potentially get us up.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, the question does ask "Do you have any confidence left in the board?". That can cover a lot, which is why I think it's difficult to answer simply with yes or no. Really it should be asking "Do you have confidence in the board to achieve success on the pitch?" or something similar.

I agree, they aren't competent enough to achieve, which is why I answered Yes I have confidence but we need a change in structure.

Red Dragon Froomie 4th September 2019 09.02:06

Re: Confidence in the Boards - WST & Club
 
Imagine having confidence in a board that gave Bryan Hughes a 3.5 year deal. That's just the most recent blunder...

dixienormous 4th September 2019 09.02:38

Re: Confidence in the Boards - WST & Club
 
7 dangerous people on here

Phils-an-alki 4th September 2019 09.02:58

Re: Confidence in the Boards - WST & Club
 
Reminder that we're a football club.
Its all about the football.
Maybe I should have made the poll clearer but I thought that part was bleedin obvious.

Its like a building keeping his van and his tools, his accounts in perfect order but when it comes to actually doing his job i.e. building he's terrible at it. What's the point in all that stuff behind the scenes if you can't carry out the main job that is the whole purpose of the business? Flawed logic if ever there was.

NedStarksGhost 4th September 2019 09.07:44

Re: Confidence in the Boards - WST & Club
 
[QUOTE=Phils-an-alki;2289533]Reminder that we're a football club.
Its all about the football.
Maybe I should have made the poll clearer but I thought that part was bleedin obvious.

Its like a building keeping his van and his tools, his accounts in perfect order but when it comes to actually doing his job i.e. building he's terrible at it. What's the point in all that stuff behind the scenes if you can't carry out the main job that is the whole purpose of the business? Flawed logic if ever there was.[/QUOTE]

Personally I think it's fair to say they've done good and bad. Yes, I agree entirely that the football is the most important as that's what brings in fans. Hence why I think specifically on that I don't have confidence in them to achieve.

But I don't think the board need to be completely sacked yet. We need to bring in someone to manage the football.

CRUMBS 4th September 2019 09.10:25

Re: Confidence in the Boards - WST & Club
 
Well put Haruki , things seem to be slipping , anyone who does the shop work etc shouldn't be given as credit to the Board but to themselves .

joe 4th September 2019 09.10:52

Re: Confidence in the Boards - WST & Club
 
Great job off the field which we're all grateful for, but there's only so far that can take you, and at the end of the day it's a football club not a banking firm.

Things need a change as they clearly don't have a clue about footballing matters, strange decision after strange decision, plenty of questions asked but never ever answered, and I find that no accountability being taken shows the arrogance of the board.

When we eventually have to cut our losses and sack Hughes (hopefully sooner rather than later), I have no confidence that we will have an explanation to the January fiasco nor do I have confidence that we will appoint a good long term successor to Hughes, it'll either be another poor chap out of his depth or a good manager that would soon leave to bigger and better things.

podders 4th September 2019 09.17:35

Re: Confidence in the Boards - WST & Club
 
As the question is ANY confidence, then even having some level of confidence in the Trust board means you answer yes.

I have probably lost confidence in the boards approach to the footballing decisions, i have said on the 'director of football' thread that i would like to see someone with recent experience in professional football on the club board to advise on the football related approach.

But looking at the club as a whole it is run better than at any point i have been a fan and you have to look at the club as a whole as the football part and the business/commercial/community part of the club cannot exists without the other.

If i had to push for a new ownership model i would want to see a Community Investment Company set up. This is a similar ownership model to Solihull Moors and Darlington 1883. This is a company set up where the profits can only be invested back into the company. For Solihull Moors it is around 10 private investors, for Darlington 1883 it is majority owned by there supporters trust.


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