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NedStarksGhost 4th September 2019 10.44:20

Re: Confidence in the Boards - WST & Club
 
[QUOTE=GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo;2289590]You said they were managing the finances well, I've pointed out they could and should be doing much better on that side too.

Dwindling crowds, reduced income to me would be not handling the finances well, nor the number of pay offs we've bad over the years, all the loan players who've never played who cost us even if we dont pay wages for them etc.[/QUOTE]

Well currently we aren't in danger of going bust which is a big positive financially. I'm not one to shout all is fine because we still have a club, but it's good to know that we aren't going to do a Bury any time soon.

Dwindling crowds and reduced income isn't handling the finances. That is down to the team's performance. Which, I agree, we need a change.

GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo 4th September 2019 10.47:22

Re: Confidence in the Boards - WST & Club
 
[QUOTE=NedStarksGhost;2289597]Well currently we aren't in danger of going bust which is a big positive financially. I'm not one to shout all is fine because we still have a club, but it's good to know that we aren't going to do a Bury any time soon.

Dwindling crowds and reduced income isn't handling the finances. That is down to the team's performance. Which, I agree, we need a change.[/QUOTE]

To me it is as they go hand in hand, that's why Bolton in particular almost went bust, why Oyston left Blackpool and a lesser extent why Bury went under, fans stayed away in protest there too.

We've players on 2 year contracts, if crowds drop off will we afford them and crucially will players want to be moved on? The whole Bobby Grant scenario with his contract sounds a right mess, he shouldn't decide if he stays or goes.

How long can we sustain losses, more with people cancelling memberships, lapsed ones not being chased up.

It's going to be a spectacular collapse, you only have to look at what happened at Telford under fan ownership

jacthelad 4th September 2019 10.48:59

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If we weren't fan owned would people still be saying off the field he's (imaginery owner) doing a good job. Personally i dont think we would. We'd be saying this football is making my eyes bleed get out of the club.
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NedStarksGhost 4th September 2019 10.49:22

Re: Confidence in the Boards - WST & Club
 
[QUOTE=GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo;2289602]To me it is as they go hand in hand, that's why Bolton in particular almost went bust, why Oyston left Blackpool and a lesser extent why Bury went under, fans stayed away in protest there too.[/QUOTE]

The crowds have a major impact on the income, yes. But I am talking about how the club manages our finances. IE what they do with the club's income and expenditure.

John Neals Dynasty 4th September 2019 10.52:49

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Just looking at the comments on here and those saying they do a GREAT job off the field a bit OTT maybe initially they did when we took over from the crooks but in recent seasons they are living off the back of that success with empty promises things like doing the Kop up was a smokescreen to divert attention from the playing side fiasco, at the start they lived off a fortunate cup run which paid off a large amount of debt.

Getting the lease on the ground they deserve credit, but 9acre and the promise of a new training ground does anyone believe that?

They have wasted money hand over fist with incompetence since the weasel Keates jumped off a promotion challenging ship.

90% possibly higher on here said giving the job to a man who's only experience was being sacked as a joint manager for losing every game at Scarborough...what was on his CV that made him the best for the job?

Also the lack of communication to the fans who travel across the country shows an arrogant attitude along with their never owning up to their mistakes.

Nobody forced them to volunteer so if they like the accolades for the reducing good things the do. Then they must accept the flack and criticism for incompetence like anyone on the board if we had private owners they would get a lot worse.
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GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo 4th September 2019 10.54:25

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[QUOTE=NedStarksGhost;2289604]The crowds have a major impact on the income, yes. But I am talking about how the club manages our finances. IE what they do with the club's income and expenditure.[/QUOTE]

Surely generating income comes under that too? Something that's keeping Ed Woodward at Manchester United and that's only just.

Answer Release 4th September 2019 10.56:18

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I'm not actually buying the 'running the club well away from football' line anymore either.

We have no training facilities, its unknown if we're even training much at all at moment as 9 acres is a ghost town. We are currently in a worse position on the training front in many decades.

We are the only professional club in the country with a head coach working one day a week who has a role in picking his next boss (beyond belief)

We have bizarre overnight stays for away games that don't warrant it.

We offer deals to players with long term injuries in the hope they recover (Manny and Lainton)

We're not utilising the many windfall payments received in recent years (cup runs, Taylor, Ward)

The stadium is falling into disrepair, even basic maintenance is being ignored.

The whole club board not speaking to the trust board fiasco around the Barrow / Hughes appointment.

Wasting money on flames in the players tunnel (if this wasn't free it's bonkers)

Bizarre appointments like Newell, Flynn etc. A firmer stance needed for staff appointments.

Delays in publicising season tickets in the close season.

The patronising cringe that comes out of the boards mouths, especially SH and PJ. I actually felt insulted by the crap they spurted in that clear the air meeting earlier this year.

I could go on.....

Rk11 4th September 2019 10.58:30

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A genuine question without being a d*ckhead...

How much are the Stadium Manager and Commercial Managers paid? Are they full time positions?

GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo 4th September 2019 11.00:28

Re: Confidence in the Boards - WST & Club
 
[QUOTE=Answer Release;2289610]I'm not actually buying the 'running the club well away from football' line anymore either.

We have no training facilities, its unknown if we're even training much at all at moment as 9 acres is a ghost town. We are currently in a worse position on the training front in many decades.

We are the only professional club in the country with a head coach working one day a week who has a role in picking his next boss (beyond belief)

We have bizarre overnight stays for away games that don't warrant it.

We offer deals to players with long term injuries in the hope they recover (Manny and Lainton)

We're not utilising the many windfall payments received in recent years (cup runs, Taylor, Ward)

The stadium is falling into disrepair, even basic maintenance is being ignored.
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The whole club board not speaking to the trust board fiasco around the Barrow / Hughes appointment[/B].

Wasting money on flames in the players tunnel (if this wasn't free it's bonkers)

Bizarre appointments like Newell, Flynn etc. A firmer stance needed for staff appointments.

Delays in publicising season tickets in the close season.

The patronising cringe that comes out of the boards mouths, especially SH and PJ. I actually felt insulted by the crap they spurted in that clear the air meeting earlier this year.

I could go on.....[/QUOTE]

The leak is still on the WST board and recently used his casting vote to vote in favour of his mate ie the status quo.

Yet people still lap it up.

NedStarksGhost 4th September 2019 11.02:16

Re: Confidence in the Boards - WST & Club
 
[QUOTE=GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo;2289608]Surely generating income comes under that too? Something that's keeping Ed Woodward at Manchester United and that's only just.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that it ties directly into the football, which I think all are in agreement is definitely a problem. So it's hard to say.

I can imagine if the poll had been a question directly about the football side of things (which Phil has pointed out he actually meant) I can see it being easily 95/5 split against the board.


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