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View Poll Results: Do you any confidence left in the WST & CLub Boards?
Yes 61 26.52%
No 169 73.48%
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Old 4th September 2019, 11.02:16   #51-0 (permalink)
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Surely generating income comes under that too? Something that's keeping Ed Woodward at Manchester United and that's only just.
The problem is that it ties directly into the football, which I think all are in agreement is definitely a problem. So it's hard to say.

I can imagine if the poll had been a question directly about the football side of things (which Phil has pointed out he actually meant) I can see it being easily 95/5 split against the board.
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Don’t forget the abysmal centre of excellence which seems to have fallen behind those run by the likes of Chester and even Welsh premier clubs.

Then there are the blatant lies - telling us that Flynn is an assistant manager when he clearly isn’t. Or having a meet the manager evening for a manager who has already told them that he is leaving.

Or take your pick from the various statements which indicate that they are stubbornly against again other form of ownership. Pete Jones for example, using the Notts County situation to label all non fans owned clubs as failures.

They should hang their heads in shame at the way they are treating our club.
I forgot about the above, you've just made me more angry!

After 24 years of regular attendance, it's sad to see me no longer willing to attend. That doesn't make me a bad fan, it makes me a disillusioned one, and I'm not alone.
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The problem is that it ties directly into the football, which I think all are in agreement is definitely a problem. So it's hard to say.

I can imagine if the poll had been a question directly about the football side of things (which Phil has pointed out he actually meant) I can see it being easily 95/5 split against the board.
I think it would be a 100%, I cant imagine anyone, even the biggest of nodding dogs would think they manage the football side of the business correctly.

Even then with the uncertainty in the question it is currently an 80/20 against the board which is really damning so what do we do? Do we organise an official vote of no confidence? I guess the issue is what replaces the current, everyone will have their own ideas ranging from

- Bring in a DOF
- Bring in a CEO
- Put the club up for sale
- remove WAFC board but keep WST board
- Re elect all members of both boards

etc etc, whilst we are all unhappy how do we shape what goes forward, this is the real debate we need to have.
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Don’t forget the abysmal centre of excellence which seems to have fallen behind those run by the likes of Chester and even Welsh premier clubs.

Then there are the blatant lies - telling us that Flynn is an assistant manager when he clearly isn’t. Or having a meet the manager evening for a manager who has already told them that he is leaving.

Or take your pick from the various statements which indicate that they are stubbornly against again other form of ownership. Pete Jones for example, using the Notts County situation to label all non fans owned clubs as failures.

They should hang their heads in shame at the way they are treating our club.
The proof in this is the recent Wales under 15's squad, Ethan Simpson was named in the squad having playing for regional Wales sides against each other. Those called up to those regional sides were considered the brightest Welsh talents a feat in itself. No mention of that or the other lads called up, no mention that I've seen of Ethan Simpson's fantastic achievement. From those region sides a final national side was decided.

What's concering is we provided one player alongside Penybont of the WPL. Penybont were formed as a club in 2013. No real funding either outside the WPL that we couldnt attain ourselves.

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To me it is as they go hand in hand, that's why Bolton in particular almost went bust, why Oyston left Blackpool and a lesser extent why Bury went under, fans stayed away in protest there too.

We've players on 2 year contracts, if crowds drop off will we afford them and crucially will players want to be moved on? The whole Bobby Grant scenario with his contract sounds a right mess, he shouldn't decide if he stays or goes.

How long can we sustain losses, more with people cancelling memberships, lapsed ones not being chased up.

It's going to be a spectacular collapse, you only have to look at what happened at Telford under fan ownership
It does all go hand in hand. An overview indicates that all is not well. This business of (some) other things are going well is irrelevant.

I refuse to single out individuals. Only the Trust as whole can resolve this, The objective is not to slate people but get it right.

The grip the trust has means only they can to make things happen.

It would defuse things considerably if there were any indications of truly addressing the issues and concerns being raised, including moving way from the present inward looking narrow minded approach to a more open approach with external focus as well.

I hope we do not screw up but do not believe this spin about "sustainability".
Sustainability or continuity is not the sole prerogative of either fans owned or privately owned clubs.
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I think it would be a 100%, I cant imagine anyone, even the biggest of nodding dogs would think they manage the football side of the business correctly.

Even then with the uncertainty in the question it is currently an 80/20 against the board which is really damning so what do we do? Do we organise an official vote of no confidence? I guess the issue is what replaces the current, everyone will have their own ideas ranging from

- Bring in a DOF
- Bring in a CEO
- Put the club up for sale
- remove WAFC board but keep WST board
- Re elect all members of both boards

etc etc, whilst we are all unhappy how do we shape what goes forward, this is the real debate we need to have.
I agree, if people really feel a big change is needed then it must be debated and discussed thoroughly. Simply sacking the board we have now is not enough as that would bring a whole world of uncertainty.
Old 4th September 2019, 11.27:34   #57-0 (permalink)
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I think it would be a 100%, I cant imagine anyone, even the biggest of nodding dogs would think they manage the football side of the business correctly.

Even then with the uncertainty in the question it is currently an 80/20 against the board which is really damning so what do we do? Do we organise an official vote of no confidence? I guess the issue is what replaces the current, everyone will have their own ideas ranging from

- Bring in a DOF
- Bring in a CEO
- Put the club up for sale
- remove WAFC board but keep WST board
- Re elect all members of both boards

etc etc, whilst we are all unhappy how do we shape what goes forward, this is the real debate we need to have.
What are the options with regards to what we can do here?
I think the time has come to take action.
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Could everyone who want the board out come and join
us in the Yale please for the Sutton game, we could then seriously show our true feeling towards the complete idiots in charge.
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Could everyone who want the board out come and join
us in the Yale please for the Sutton game, we could then seriously show our true feeling towards the complete idiots in charge.
That's not the way to go about it, with all due respect it will achieve nothing than to create a further divide and they'll just cite abuse and become an even more of a closed shop.

Unfortunately the only way is to try (I have little confidence in this btw) and do something using the number of unhappy fans to force a vote of no confidence or whatever we can do within the rules.

What you propose should only be a last resort, if at all.
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That's not the way to go about it, with all due respect it will achieve nothing than to create a further divide and they'll just cite abuse and become an even more of a closed shop.

Unfortunately the only way is to try (I have little confidence in this btw) and do something using the number of unhappy fans to force a vote of no confidence or whatever we can do within the rules.

What you propose should only be a last resort, if at all.
Ok then how do we go about voting them out?
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