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Old 4th September 2019, 14.38:40   #81-0 (permalink)
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I might be thick but we have very little to attract shysters these days havenít we? What assets have we got left to strip?
Apart from the playing staff very little.

Having said that I am loathe to criticise the board, so itís an abstention from me.
Correct. Not much to pick at now.

Why are you loathe to criticise the board out of interest? I don't get that. The minute every fan takes that approach we might as well not bother.
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Old 4th September 2019, 14.50:05   #82-0 (permalink)
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Correct. Not much to pick at now.

Why are you loathe to criticise the board out of interest? I don't get that. The minute every fan takes that approach we might as well not bother.
I absolutely see your point Phil & believe it or not your posts more than anyoneís have swayed my opinion of the board. I was staunchly behind them, now Iím a so-so, but speaking for myself, (A)I donít know enough about the characters on the board to fully commit to lambasting them & (B)I am not up to speed on the in-house politics of the football club.
I would hate to think itís all about power games & not the long term well being of WFC that is their main concern.
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Old 4th September 2019, 15.05:17   #83-0 (permalink)
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I absolutely see your point Phil & believe it or not your posts more than anyone’s have swayed my opinion of the board. I was staunchly behind them, now I’m a so-so, but speaking for myself, (A)I don’t know enough about the characters on the board to fully commit to lambasting them & (B)I am not up to speed on the in-house politics of the football club.
I would hate to think it’s all about power games & not the long term well being of WFC that is their main concern.
Fair enough. Understand completely. Believe or not when the WST first took over for the initial few years I was right behind them too, as I think many were. But personal experiences, certain things I'm told by people I know (and trust) who have shall we say inside knowledge have completely changed my opinion. Coupled with recent events.

I wish I could say more but I can't and won't as its not my place to.
I think things will come out in the wash in the end though.
If you are, lets say an unsavoury character, sooner or later the pretence or guard will drop and the truth will out for all to see for themselves.
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34 people have confidence in a board who've failed to deliver where it matters for over seven seasons.Isn't football important to you?
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Correct. Not much to pick at now.

Why are you loathe to criticise the board out of interest? I don't get that. The minute every fan takes that approach we might as well not bother.
It isn't necessarily about having assets. We could be attractive to an investor (good or bad) because of the revenue and expense that runs through us
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Yes I still have confidence ,notwithstanding a few hiccups on appointments.
The ones shouting loudest on here would not stand for office or be prepared to put in the hours the current team do.
The other alternative of returning to private ownership fills me with dread ,especially with the recent experiences of Bury and Bolton.There are always rumours surfacing about investors waiting with wads of cash to throw at the club , but never any proof.
Old 4th September 2019, 15.49:46   #87-0 (permalink)
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On the field something needs to change. The decision making as of late in regards to staff employment has been odd. Off the the field they need to be applauded for doing a superb job.

If you look bad not all of their decisions have been bad.

Kevin Wilkin - Wanted by most on here.
Gary Mills - Wanted by most on here.
Dean Keates - Not wanted by most on here.
Sam Ricketts - Not wanted by most on here.
Graham Barrow - Not wanted by most on here.
Bryan Hughes - Not wanted by most on here.

So apart from the last 4 they have employed who've we wanted haha
Old 4th September 2019, 16.26:41   #88-0 (permalink)
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Fair enough. Understand completely. Believe or not when the WST first took over for the initial few years I was right behind them too, as I think many were. But personal experiences, certain things I'm told by people I know (and trust) who have shall we say inside knowledge have completely changed my opinion. Coupled with recent events.

I wish I could say more but I can't and won't as its not my place to.
I think things will come out in the wash in the end though.
If you are, lets say an unsavoury character, sooner or later the pretence or guard will drop and the truth will out for all to see for themselves.
If these people do have valid criticisms of the Board it would be better if they were aired in public, rather than fester as innuendo.

But, as you say, it is not for you to repeat hearsay in public. They must have the confidence to repeat what they know or believe.
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I might be thick but we have very little to attract shysters these days havenít we? What assets have we got left to strip?
Apart from the playing staff very little.

Having said that I am loathe to criticise the board, so itís an abstention from me.
You are certainly not thick but in this particular area you lack experience / knowledge and so do many other posters who pontificate nonsense on the topic.

Firstly see the reply to you from Haruki.

Secondly the club does have assets. Contrary to common belief the most valuable assets are frequently not seen in the accountancy balance sheet.
I don't want get booged down in detail but 2 things most people will understand are the large fan base relative to the football pyramid status and the club's history / pedigree.

Getting a return might be indirect to the buyer not direct by stripping the club. So being sensible the long term plan and motivation of any new money is crucial. Sometimes others see assets they can exploit but we cannot and as long as that does not conflict with the well being of the club I do not see it as an issue. Transparency is key.

Clearly you and I have different views but the common ground is avoiding shysters whilst having access to the level of funds required to meet our objectives. I'd like to see the leadership making visible efforts around the common ground.

Some open debate is needed about constitutes a shyster and what our realistic objectives are.

I would very much like to be in your camp of being ``1comfortable with the board and I would be if they shaped up.

I do not believe we can ever move forward effectively in the long term shackled to the past. Equally it is crucial to maintain vigilance and never to forget the extremely painful lessons we received.
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You are certainly not thick but in this particular area you lack experience / knowledge and so do many other posters who pontificate nonsense on the topic.

Firstly see the reply to you from Haruki.

Secondly the club does have assets. Contrary to common belief the most valuable assets are frequently not seen in the accountancy balance sheet.
I don't want get booged down in detail but 2 things most people will understand are the large fan base relative to the football pyramid status and the club's history / pedigree.

Getting a return might be indirect to the buyer not direct by stripping the club. So being sensible the long term plan and motivation of any new money is crucial. Sometimes others see assets they can exploit but we cannot and as long as that does not conflict with the well being of the club I do not see it as an issue. Transparency is key.

Clearly you and I have different views but the common ground is avoiding shysters whilst having access to the level of funds required to meet our objectives. I'd like to see the leadership making visible efforts around the common ground.

Some open debate is needed about constitutes a shyster and what our realistic objectives are.

I would very much like to be in your camp of being ``1comfortable with the board and I would be if they shaped up.

I do not believe we can ever move forward effectively in the long term shackled to the past. Equally it is crucial to maintain vigilance and never to forget the extremely painful lessons we received.
Wise words.

We must somehow take the emotional nonsense out of business decisions, whilst keeping that same emotional nonsense for the actual footballing side ie supporting the team at a game.

Easily said, but difficult to achieve.
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