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Old 3rd October 2019, 14.24:54   #31-0 (permalink)
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Agreed. I would argue that Moss, Dickens et all are very good businessmen.
Certainly got a good deal out of this club.
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Any off the field success is directly related to on the field success.
If we start to fail on field then everything will spiral downwards.

The Commercial manager has improved his side but there are still many improvements to be made as identified.
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If there was no success off the field - and the biggest of those is undoubtedly running the club on the sound basis of affordability, there would be no money available to pay the players and staff who you are demanding must perform on the field.

When you go to the sweetie shop, you must know that you have to pay for what you want. Or didn't mummy tell you that before you started bawling your eyes out?
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Club shop... Nice and tidy, but i would be interested in seeing the increase in sales as a direct result of this? I would argue they would be largely the same before and after the shop refit.

Better take up on advertising...yep sure, the least i expect from a club with a commercial manager in place. Also i believe some boards left in place and not resold when sponsorship pulled by some sponsors at various points.

Reduction in operating costs is comparing apples and oranges to me. Under previous owners spending had skyrocketed. Im not knocking the reduction, I am saying that any shrewd ops manager or business manager would be able to apply lean thinking to remove waste spends

Pitch improvements covered by university werent they? Dugouts... Totally pointless. Ticketing system had to be done... Reduction in freebies? Elaborate on this one? Id expect us not to be handing out freebies as you put it, its just common sense

Stand sponsorships...cant argue with that one. Wonder what revenue they bring in though.

Catering is still pish I am afraid. You obviously say there is still work to be done and be good to see this come into fruition, but matchday experience is mostly a negative one imo. Fylde have the single best matchday experience I have ever had out of premier league of course and we have the facilities and space to emulate what they do.

Lease of facility... Cant argue, i also cant imagine glyndwr were desperate to continue meeting the cost of running the ground once it was largely surplus to requirements. The deal suited us, but we didnt hold any of the cards.

Kop and training ground...please. Use these when it happens. Council is skint, in order to deliver on either of these things investment is required.

I think that the biggest actual achievement is cutting op costs. The others are all pretty much low hanging fruit. What amazes me is the view that nobody else can do what the current board are doing...i think additionally the degredation of youth development is a strategic own goal as we have essentially turned off a potentially significant revenue stream.
I would say it is difficult to assess the lease of facility as you call it. I believe only the two boards WST and Football together with a Midlands solicitor will know the details outside the headline of the deal. Time will tell if it is good for the club or Uni.
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There is no off field success story, unless 'still in business' is a success story.


The only off field success story will be when we do the deal to secure enough funding to get us promoted on the field.
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Off field success would be generating enough income to give us the finances to employ a team capable of promotion into the football league
Old 3rd October 2019, 16.22:33   #37-0 (permalink)
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You must be going around with your eyes closed.
New club shop. Improved and expanded Hospitality.
Better take up on advertising. Promotion and use of the 'course as a venue for meetings, parties etc.
Reduction in operating losses from £750k a year when the trust took over to around £100k which is covered by the WST
On going ground improvements, Drainage, Pitch improvements. Floodlight maintenance. Ticketing. Reduction in freebees.
Improved catering - still more work to do on concourse bars.
Long term. Lease of facility for £100k / annum.
Stand sponsorships.
Moves towards creating a new training facility to replace Colliers / 9 Acre.
Kop redevelopment.
I'm sure there's a lot more but I've listed those that immediately come to mind.
How much of the ground improvements were paid for by the club? Not as much as you suggest as a lot of that funding came from donations from the WSA, who collected that money from the fans via fundraising.
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TOWIU,
Not sure if your post is just general or directed at someone .

It’s basically a catch 22 situation. Reduced revenue means reduced budget and likewise reduced budget will mean reduced revenue.
Our problem is that we only have fans money to improve our position.

We now appear to have lost the momentum of our 5,000 crowds so it’s revenue that will be hit first. How can we improve budget instead?
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Wrexham Disabled Supporters Association, run entirely by volunteers and not always with the full support of the Club, have offered an improved matchday experience for many of our friends with a whole range of disabilities/difficulties.

The 'can do', positive approach to problems brings great respect from other Clubs and thanks from our own Reds. Okay it's not going to bring us promotion but when that eventually does happen a lot more Reds with disabilities will be part of it due the dedication of the DSA.
Thanks for this. I was thinking of raising the DSA myself earlier today. The excellence of the DSA operations and subsequent achievements are the one thing that surely all of us can agree on. Well done!!!
Reading some of the claims on this thread it is interesting to compare those claims with a list I posted on RP some weeks ago. I again re-stated that in my view the club is nor so well run off the field as is often claimed.
Only the WST, in particular the key WST officers, have the power to improve our situation both on and off the field. Certainly, in the short to medium run the WST is the only game in town, like it or not. Whether or not they have the capability is not so clear.
The current incumbents need to shape up or ship out immediately. Time is not on our side. In my view resignations are an honourable way forward, if they feel they have done all they can, as well as being less messy and enabling a change in direction with a goodly portion of new blood mixing with the old.
The club ownership is stitched up very well by following the Supporters Direct guidelines. The original intent was sound, to ensure that unscrupulous private interests could not “get at” the club and / or assets. In that respect it is a most effective bit of work.
So effective it also makes it most cumbersome and difficult for the supporters themselves to drive change in circumstances such as we now find we are in. In my view this is contrary to the spirit of the original “sell” to the supporters, the equivalent of an own goal.
The result is we have a fan owned club where, in practical terms, the fans have become frustrated at the inability of the average supporter views to count for anything. Transparency? Sustainability? You own the club (but can do bugger all about the way it is run unless you want to burn a lot of time and / or money and probably have an MBA from Harvard)
The situation now is that confidence in the owners is at an all time low.
Things need to change. I have my views like everyone else but the first requirement is for leadership to consult, listen and act to ascertain properly the majority view.
Done properly a lot of red tape, resolutions and antagonism can be circumvented.
Show us some leadership or stand aside for more capable people.
I do not believe a wholesale clear out of the board is sensible but in any faltering organization the buck stops at the top.
My opinion for what it is worth is that a new chairman elected by fans vote is the first step towards a change for the better unless signs of a more engaging approach with fans is seen to happening within days.
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How much of the ground improvements were paid for by the club? Not as much as you suggest as a lot of that funding came from donations from the WSA, who collected that money from the fans via fundraising.
The WSA should pay for the bulbs in the floodlights, after all it is the WSA who funded the floodlights back in 1957 Send them the bill is what I say !!!!
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